Just watched it for the second time last month educating the youth of today. Deserves a sequel more than Moana did.

I was recently shown this hilarious Simpsons skit, but someone had to explain it to me haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qause0z-9tM

I’ve always liked the Postman. With the exception of

The idea of The Postman was really neat. I remember it was a very slow paced epic though. A lot of Costner movies are kinda…contemplative that way. Kinda chill I guess? Haha his Robin Hood was like that too.

Hey now, I actually liked Postman.

This makes D&D very unfun. You don’t win DnD. You enjoy DnD with friends.

How do you even cheat at that game?

That’s how I feel about Adele. Rolling in the Deep might even be objectively good but it GRATES on me because you’d hear it EVERYWHERE. ALL THE TIME.

I think a lot of decent artists are foisted upon the public so forcefully they become loathed.

Well, not really. For example, my favourite Nickelback song, Sister Sin, is rather different from This Afternoon, or For the River, or Just to Get High, or many others. But they definitely do have a number which are rather similar to others of theirs - but then, I honestly have never listened to a band which didn’t have some that sounded a bit similar to others? Like, most Ed Sheeran songs are Ed Sheeran songs, most Sleep Token songs are Sleep Token songs…

That said, Chad Kroegar’s voice is so distinctive that it makes everything they do sound instantly Nickelback.

But that’s the thing, they only have one song. (They all sound the same.)

Mumford & Sons, Hootie & the Blowfish, and Live all say “Hi!” and want to know if they can join the party.

Lily especially in this watchthrough I’m noticing how much she does manipulate him. Season 2 leaving of course just destroys him, and then she comes back and just expects to be taken back like it’s nothing. Then expects the wedding and everything right after, wanting everything to move on like she didn’t just destroy all trust with him. The really sad thing is she left to see if she could be a painter while he never prevented her from doing that while being together, as Ted said there are so many ones in NYC why SF? She wanted to go off and be single, and he took her back way too easily.

Then getting mad that he talks to his parents, or that he dreamed of maybe living somewhere else, or the credit card debt, or then being mad that he became a corporate lawyer to pay off her credit card debt. I feel bad for the guy

Iirc Ted mosby (the real guy, not his character) asked if they were still doing that original ending.

To this day it still ranks up there with one of the worst final seasons ever for me.

Sex and the city for me. They’re rich assholes. They’re also outspoken, assertive, strong. They taught a lot to teen me, a nerdy people-pleaser. They were the ones who made me realize I could just say no to men, and that having standards was a good thing.

Richard!

I think sitcoms are an art form, people compare them to high price dramas and they aren’t. Sitcoms are your “friends” after a long day if work that you can count on to be reliable and low pressure. You watch them not for a good story necessarily, but to unwind after a day. Sadly I think that’s been lost over the last few years.

There was actually a deleted scene originally in the movie where an executive from Nintendo met with Mario and Luigi to buy the rights to their story and that the movie was actually what happened and the games are the ones that changed things, which I’ve always thought was a fun tongue in cheek nod at the source material (or lack thereof).

I know a lot of films and TV pilots start as a writers original idea, sometimes even a great idea, but for one reason or another never get picked up. Or even worse it does get picked up. But in both cases someone says, “This won’t sell, can you make it Super Mario themed?”

The writer, creative as they are and just happy to get work, then mashes the two together.

I think a film featuring a parallel New York ruled by evolved dinosaurs and deevolution guns is a wild but potentially interesting film. What it has to do with Mario… I have no idea.

Luke’s story hit home in a weird way

IMHO it it home because that is almost the only way it could have been done, especially after what JJ set up in The Force Awakens. We know that Luke blamed himself. We know he ran away. We know not even Leia can locate him via the Force. At least being a grumpy hermit was a way to take back a little bit of agency. When you have a hero’s journey, and the hero’s journey ends, you’re not really supposed to revisit them thirty years later with a massive new threat, because now they have to face it, but not as the hero. Once you decide you have to have Luke in the damn story, there is nothing you can do except make him a mentor or a villain. Villain was right out, but having him fall back into old habits (doomerism, jumping to conclusions, whining) and having all that make him start as an ineffective mentor was actually really clever.

It also maybe hit a little close to home for the generation that grew up idolizing Luke, re-evaluating what he was after reaching his heights in his mid-20s. That said, it also tells that same group, “Yes, you are fatter and angrier and grabbing breakfast and a latte is the most interesting thing you’ll do most days, but you have wisdom to pass down, and you have the power to beat back the darkness and learn from your own mistakes, and there is so much more to you than you’ve come to believe about yourself.” I actually walked out of the movie thinking that once you have a Luke that let the First Order arise at all, then this Luke was a god-damn hero and saved the galaxy one last time.

It took a huge chunk of the second act, and it basically amounted to nothing.

Love it or hate it, and the fact that some people will decide they hate it is what I had to come to terms with, this was very intentional and played into the theme of Poe’s arc while letting Finn get the small amount of character growth they layered on in TLJ. It also made it clear that Rose is not so much a fully fleshed-out character as she is a stand-in for the entire Resistance, so she gets a chance to make its case and show its impact. Fighting the good fight is worth it even if, in the short term, it seems doomed. Narratively, I thought Canto Bight did a lot.

Canto Bight hits different after you burned out doing odd jobs at the sleazy casino on the edge of town

Yeah, that’s the part that bugged me too. There was so much “subverting expectations” to be clever and huff ones’ own farts…But no satisfying storytelling in place.

It was written like an on-the-fly television show like “Ah HAH this will be unexpected and get eyeballs and maybe we’ll explain it in season 6!” . . .but it was a movie, and it was just over…and a bunch of empty threads kinda went nowhere for ~2 hours straight.

It was entertaining! I watched it and first said “WOW. That was like the BEST Star Wars in a WHILE.” Then we thought about it…and realized nothing actually made any sense. Kinda like when you look at Ai stuff, weirdly enough. Lots of flash but it’s clear there was no actual intent behind it.

Also Finn was supposed to be a force-sensitive Stormtrooper who grows a conscience and turns Jedi. Finn was robbed. That bothers me so much that he just got relegated to backseat supporting sidekick to a cardboard cutout who should’ve had some depth.

I do think the movie was weak on the handwavium when a few lines could have turned the siege/chase into something a little more compelling. Some of the dialogue skewed a bit Marvel-y, and Finn’s TLJ arc was way too similar to his TFA arc, only nudging forward his circle of empathy a bit. I also wish wish wish somebody had simply said the Holdo maneuver worked because she locked onto the hyperspace tracker: BOOM, two birds with one battlecruiser. Casino planet dragged a bit, but I didn’t mind it nearly as much as others. Maz was wasted, and in some ways, the whole movie actually mapped too closely to ESB (subversion indeed).

However, Luke’s arc hit me exactly right given that they were forced to revisit a Hero’s-Journey hero whose journey was done, because JJ Abrams set up the galaxy in possibly the least compelling way possible. Luke’s return from backsliding into his own old habits, accepting his failure, and using the energy he had left to secure a future for the next generation… that’s good stuff, and a lot of the boomers and older X’s who idolized him would do well to heed the lesson.

The initial tone poem with Rose’s sister was beautiful. DJ absolutely fit as a tweak on Lando and commentary on what all this is supposed to mean. The Poe arc that he can’t simply Maverick his way into leadership, the idea that Rey was no one and yet everything, that Force users and resistance could come from anywhere, and that Ren was on a path apart from Snoke’s but equally irredeemable, all these things were HUGE improvements from TFA and were setting things up for a very compelling finale.

Instead, JJ crammed in his own Episode 8 into the first 45 minutes, left no time to have his own movie make any sense, just channelled Harry Potter and the Avengers for its conclusion, and repeatedly reminded people that TLJ was being undone (“come with us, Rose!” “Can’t! Leia gave me homework!”… We picked “Yer a Palpatine, Rey!” from the hat full of fan theories!), thereby reminding TLJ’s fans that it was being undone, and its haters that it existed. Just a piece of shit movie all around, and to top it off, with my “ACKSHULLY” cap on, it still didn’t connect the tracker with the Holdo maneuver!!!

Finally, for what it’s worth, TLJ is the only ST movie to engage in good faith with the PT, which is something you need to do, even if (like me) they’re far from your favorites.

You see, i don’t think so. I think it is definitely redirecting the setup, but apart from sheer number of remaining rebels, I think it tracks really well with ESB. The great victory from the opening movie reveals vulnerability and removes the threat of clean and instant apocalypse, but doesn’t truly alter the new balance of power (sigh… JJ could have given us a functioning New Republic dealing with an insurgency of its own, but no…). Our chosen one meets a reluctant mentor who eventually acquiesces to train her. She has a troubling but cryptic dark side experience and leaves after learning some but not enough. Hero confronts a dark truth about her history but ultimately can’t truly defeat the villain. Through pluck and sacrifice, our heroes live to fight another day and we are left only with the implication of useful resources (“the fleet” in ESB, the allies who hadn’t yet answered in TLJ).

Now, I’ll concede the time jump would have needed to be more like ANH->ESB than ESB->ROTJ for it to work, but I also think the set up for an Episode 9 where the call is answered/being answered could work. In Canto Bight we’re made aware that the Alliance/Resistance’s iconography is inspirational, and we learn that the Force is out there, and there are people who want to believe in the cause of both. Additionally, we have a villain who is struggling between the light and the dark, but ultimately rejects both, as he understands them, to make his own path and pursue his own goals, motivated by emotional torment and a tragic sense of abandonment. There’s good bones there, much better than “here’s a hatful of fan theories. Pick one and let’s chase some mcguffins.”

You forgot something that you’re going to start remembering very soon

You forgot the killers - Mr brightside

You’ll probably hate this then

He was actually annoying in it I felt.

I got so much shit for liking it, maybe it was just my school though.

That’s actually a great way to frame it

That’s… that’s the point. It’s Shakespeare’s words given modern visual elements to make it more comprehensible by a modern audience. It’s the prose of Romeo And Juliet that make it Shakespeare, not the swords and doublets.

flawed, but ultimately solid films rather than ‘disasters’.

I think they might still be at least verging on disasters, though certainly more interesting ones than JJ’s movies (see elsewhere in this thread for my thoughts on TLJ). The PT actually reminds me a lot of other passion projects (Megalopolis is probably the most recent, and surprise surprise, Coppola is a friend and mentor) that reveal the limitations of deferring to the auteur’s singular vision in a collaborative artform.

The “saved in the edit” narrative for ANH is disingenuous I think, inserting a miracle for a particularly strong example of how the workflow for a weird project should work, but it does hint at the truth that somebody like Lucas has as many bad ideas as good ones, and only the ones he can sell to fellow respected professionals should stay in the final product.

I also think it’s fair to say that because he was frustrated by the “compromises” with actors, writers, directors, and studios who all felt they were equal stakeholders, the unfiltered Lucas was a jarring departure from the OT, yet ostensibly targeted the exact same demographics, and that made it even harder to evalute the PT on its own terms. For me personally, I could never truly get over the stilted line readings that felt exactly like the cheesy serials that Lucas loved, but that the New Hollywood “kids” and British stage veterans refused to let infect the OT. “You can write this shit, George, but you can’t say it.”

Rogue One and Andor are pretty good

And a ridiculously haunted-house-like FPS sequence that was pretty freaking rad. It was a nice homage to the source material.

Captain Nemo is an absolute bad ass in that movie.

If some mad hatter gives Stephen Norrington a bag of money to direct again I’d watch a sequel lol.

Yeah, in the same month of this year she threatened to sue amnesty international forcing them to take down a report and posted an upskirt of someone she had a problem with. These aren’t the most evil things she’s done, but they are some real “are we the baddies” moments

I think the high seas is the only ethical way to enjoy her content. I have my childhood hard covers but I’ll never give her money now. She seems truly evil. That’s coming from a Slythern!

Don’t forget all the talk of blood purity and the state, media, education system, and prisons all being operated by the same tight-knit group of people for generations.

+1 for Alanna. My wife loved the books growing up so much that we named our first kid after the main character and I subsequently got a fairly big Alanna tattoo.

Wow, cool. Hasn’t saw any problems in the art itself. Now see, thank you.

Anyway almost all of that is Supporting roles at best. I know I will get minuses for this comment too.

I still will watch it with my daughter, when she will apply to elementary school. And as others suggested, I will not pay money for that. Thank you, guys.

I’d recommend just about all the Tortall books by Tamora Pierce (except Mastiff. Hate that book).

I usually stick with the same civ, but not always. The variety is fun.

And I have mixed feelings about the two main options on keeping your stuff or not. Both are actually fun.

But I do play with some mods - including cheat ones, although I usually just cheat enough diplomacy so as to be able to participate with all the incoming diplomatic requests, and some limited gold, and sometimes to cheat unit movement (like if I want to adjust my starting area, or if I’m just frustrated with an enemy and I’m like “fuck it, you’re out” lol)

It sounded interesting, but I never obtained it, alas. :)