Microsoft’s AI CEO, Mustafa Suleyman, has shared his opinion after recent pushback from users online that are becoming frustrated with Copilot and AI on Windows. In a post on X, Suleyman says he’s mind blown by the fact that people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.
His post comes after Windows president Pavan Davuluri was recently met with major backlash from users online for posting about Windows evolving into an agentic OS. His post was so negatively received that he was forced to turn off replies, though Davuluri did later respond to reassure customers that the company was aware of the feedback.
Never seen someone with a mind so easily blown.
At the idea of customer choice and feedback, no less; like those things are somehow BAD.
Either it’s bullshit (most likely) or it’s because he surrounded himself with AI-cock sucking yes men. Probably a bit of both.
someone with a mind
That’s a pretty bold assumption to make
Microsoft is truly the king of putting out a product that no one wanted or asked for, then wondering why no one wants it. I’m sure they will soon begin the second phase of any Microsoft product: spending a small country’s GDP marketing it to try to get people to use it, despite it being prominently displayed on approximately 5 billion operating systems already.
A tried and true strategy to piss through more money than god to justify spending more money than god building the thing that no one wants. Looking at you, IE and edge.
Don’t forget cortana!
What about that 365 bullshit?
362
Forget what?
I think it’s an old UK only model of ford that they stopped making in 1982
No that was the Cortina. Cortana is a coastal city in Colombia.
No that’s a type of blind. Cortana is a fictional character from the Halo video game franchise.
Actually, it’s an extinct genus of land snail. Really. Wikipedia told me so.
No, that’s Cartagena, Cortana is a region of Spain
Cortana was great on WP before they dumbed it down for W10 and then killed it. It gave you daily summaries in the morning and was able to do basic assistant stuff like reminders and simple queries pretty well. Then W10 came and it became just a shitty web search.
I hate tech companies and the general public’s collective amnesia of functioning digital assistants, so I’m co-opting this as a copypasta.
Google Assistant was great on Android before they dumbed it down for Gemini and then killed it. It gave you daily summaries in the morning and was able to do basic assistant stuff like reminders and simple queries pretty well. Then Gemini came and it became just a shitty web search.
How could I when I’ve been being notified it’s existence for the better part of the last decade?
Cortana got rampancy IRL.
Cortana has gone rampant and is running the company now.
You know what I want MS to do? Remove all the extra crap and just be a simple OS. The desktop should use 500MB or so of memory, boot should be a few seconds, and launching programs should be a few seconds. Don’t do any weird caching nonsense, I don’t need tens of GBs of OS nonsense, just give me a simple OS.
I have that w/ Linux. The only value Windows provides is app compatibility. Stop trying to be anything more than that.
Man, can you imagine how good a bare bones version of win 10 would be? Drop all the useless software and telemetry services, only run the 3 or 4 background services that people use, and use flat window decorations like win 8. Essentially a modernized windows XP. Would be rad.
There’s multiple projects out there for it. Windows 10 Ameliorated is/was an open source project of PowerShell scripts you run against the installation media (and I think afer install, it’s been a while) to get LTSC Windows 10 stripped down as much as possible.
It’s what I run in a VM for my work’s VPN connection software (and then for the RDP session too). Keeps an extra level of separation from my personal stuff.
I could probably get things working in a Linux VM, but it’s not worth the trouble for me.
Yes, very true. It would be so nice to be able to get that as an OOBE behavior rather than a hacked together set of registry hacks and patched executables. Not denigrating the devs of these projects, they do an amazing job out engineering Microsoft’s attempts to stop them. It’s just absurd that the primary/only option for the operating system of a set of devices as ubiquitous as personal computers is such advertisment riddled shit with no ability to even buy out of it.
Meh its a seriously dated OS thats had layers of lipstick added onto the turd all the while gaslighting its customers while stealing from them.
Its beyond insecure, hasn’t innovated in a long time and their answer to this? Online accounts and slop to steal more customer data…
Stockholm syndrome in PCs is very real.
spending a small country’s GDP marketing
Not to mention the energy demand of a similar small country
In a scale of 1-10 how likely are you having conversations about AI with copilot to your colleagues ?
10, about how I hate it and wish it would go away.
Sounds like people like talking about AI, time to push for even more of it!
Maybe they think market research is for suckers who aren’t confident enough in their ideas 🤡
Well my guy have you actually used and I mean really sat down and used your burning pile of slop for an excuse of an OS? I bet you haven‘t because you don‘t have to. Your assistants have to deal with that and they get paid to not complain about it. Meanwhile you get paid to waste oxygen and have lost touch with reality to the point you‘re no longer able to contribute to society in your current position. How sad.
Hey don’t make fun of him too much, he might have to buy another yacht to make himself feel better.
Holy fuck. I have to paste shit from reports into Outlook daily and that stupid fucking menu that pops up asking about if I want the formatting to match, that you can’t get rid of, drives me crazy.
And! And! You want a sync button? It’s not just hanging out anymore, you have to find it. Don’t like more clicks? That’s ok, use the F key. But not F5 like is standard on browsers! Enjoy pressing F9.
First world problems but they’re mine!
I’ll bet I can make your left eye twitch.
Are you ready?
A “large” amount of information.
Bitch, my computer has 128 gigabytes of RAM. It’s a tiny god. The fact that I have as many as 100 cells copied to the clipboard (which is the threshold that triggers this stupid message, if you’ve ever wondered) is not even a rounding error. I’m sure this was marginally important in 1982 or whenever this was first coded into Excel, but today my computer could lose an entire megabyte of memory or maybe even ten down between the couch cushions and neither of us would notice.
There is still no setting to disable this dumbshit message.
OMG yes… I wrote a macro that copies thousands of rows and then closes a file and I had to add a step to copy just one cell before closing to work around this stupid message.
i heard one of the biggest complaint, is the taskbar is right in the middle and you cant alter it in the settings. our work is using the ugly W11 right now on thier computers.
In terms of Windows 11? You can move the start button back to the lower left corner in the settings, but you can’t stick the taskbar itself to the sides or top of your monitor nor resize it like you could do in previous versions. Even Windows 95 supported all of the above.
The functionality is still there, mind you, and you can do it via registry hacks or third party tools. Microsoft just saw fit to remove the option for the user to do it themselves for some inexplicable reason.
The task hat that you can align to the left? You can configure that aspect.
I have to paste shit from reports into Outlook daily and that stupid fucking menu that pops up asking about if I want the formatting to match, that you can’t get rid of, drives me crazy.
Every other piece of software: ctrl+shift+v pastes without formatting.
Microsoft software: ctrl+shift+v does nothing, if you want to paste without formatting you have to use our menus (for some reason).
And on the subject, apparently in a Google document you can not right click to paste without having some add-on installed. Ctrl+v works fine, the context menu shows you paste as an option, but if you try to actually paste through the context menu you get an error saying you need to install an add-on. What the actual fuck?
Probably because they insist on replacing the browser’s right click menu with theirs, and web pages can’t just grab the clipboard contents for security reasons.
Ctrl+Shift+V does actually paste without formatting in up to date Office products. I do it a lot.
I use Outlook, Word, and Publisher at work. Ctrl+shift+v does nothing.
I mean, that’s what you said. I’m just providing context that this isn’t so for everyone. Not sure what’s going on with your install.
I think part of the problem is they all use Win 11 Enterprise, which actually isn’t that crappy because all of the bloat can be configured and disabled and most likely their IT department has done that.
They should be forced to use Win 11 Home for a while to see how everyone else is viewing things.
is thats what businesses use? our work uses computer with windows 11, seems very unweildy, and sitll has bloat(from news)
Either means your business is running Pro, or your admins don’t have the GPOs configured correctly. That’s something that’s easy to remove on Enterprise.
You know what would impress me? That I would be able to start using my computer when I boot it in the morning.
As it stands I have to wait some 5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with me. And god forbid I attempt to start a Teams meeting, either the camera, mic or screen share will not work at all.
What the hell is this dumbass operating system doing that is more important than responding to the damn user?
Same machine, booting Linux, lets me start working right away. No stuttering, no freezes. Go figure.
It’s sad that all of those things were solved problems 20 years ago.
Like, Skype was usable on pretty much any computer with a webcam in 2006. Computers booted in a couple minutes with their spinning disk drives.
The tech is faster, more reliable, higher resolution, etc, but the software is fucking ass.
Using electron for seemingly every app will do that.
Probably more to do with the fact that every app is now designed to gather as much data as possible to build an ad profile on you.
Yeah I doubt that’s the issue on a PC with 64GB RAM.
Ram isn’t the only issue. It’s the bloat it needs to load even to display a simple UI.
5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with mr
This is not a typical experience, you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.
you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.
Windows, windows is the corruption you’re looking for.
That’s very funny to say, but Windows 11 boots faster than Linux on my disk boot machine. I do have full disk encryption on Linux tbf, but Windows is very fast from cold off to login screen.
It’s a shit OS I’m forced to use for work, but it boots very quickly.
Is this “git gud”, victim blaming, or a mix of both? Ignoring the comma splice.
You’d think if there was a janky bit of gear in there
- Windows would tell you about it
- Linux would suck the same.
Neither appear to be the case.
Or perhaps it could be something other than malice?
This person is putting up with a misbehavior they don’t have to live with. They’re presenting the perception that it’s due to the nature of the operating system.
My Toyota engine dies when I idle, therefore all Toyotas and fundamentally flawed.
Flawed logic, no? And yet, when it comes to tech, plenty of folks apply the same type of thought pattern.
You’re right that one would think the issue is as it seems on the surface. Computers are actually a bit more complicated than that.
One fail mode of memory is the occasional bit flip silently corrupting data in the background. As time goes on and new data is written to a disk, things can get weirder and weirder over time.
We don’t know if Windows and Linux are sharing a physical disk (I hope for their sake they aren’t) and we don’t know how old the Linux deployment is, so it’s possible it hasn’t had the opportunity to get progressively messed up enough yet.
Another key variable is that the Linux environment might not be interacting with every single piece of hardware, or that the structure of those interactions could result in symptoms manifesting differently or not at all.
I’ve had situations where a MacBook’s keyboard and trackpad were completely functional in Linux and Windows, but absolutely dysfunctional in any MacOS based environment. The fix? Replacement trackpad cable.
At the end of the day, the situation they’re describing is not common for the OS and indicates something is very wrong.
There’s plenty to complain about with Windows, but if this were a typical experience people would not be putting up with it.
A device with those symptoms coming through my shop is statistically likely to be leaving with replaced parts, a component level repair, or at the very least a complete OS and Driver reinstallation after passing extensive diagnostic testing and behavioral isolation.
His boot time in Linux says it’s not a hardware issue. Just sayin’
You’re right, I hate windows and especially 11 but even my shit spec work laptop running 11 boots to desktop in under a minute.
To clarify a bit: Windows may not be the only reason my work machine is slow as hell, corporate endpoint protection is due to play some part in that slowness.
Having said that, colleagues that use Macs and Linux mock us Windows users everyday for all the troubles we have with, well, everything, and they have similar endpoint protections in place.
Yup, and Linux probably boots faster. On my NVMe w/ full-disk encryption (not through the disk’s microcontroller, through an outside FS), I boot to desktop in like 5 sec or less, and the desktop is fully usable. If I want to launch a program, I type the name and hit enter, and it launches in a couple seconds.
My M3 Mac is a little worse, since it gets confused about launching an app vs looking for a file, and it takes a bit longer to boot (20-30 seconds?).
But my SO’s Windows machine is something else. It takes a minute or two to boot, and after that it takes a minute or two to “settle.” I have no idea what it’s doing, but I generally get up and get a drink or something when my SO asks me to get something pulled up. Why is it so crappy?
xxx@xxx:~$ systemd-analyze Startup finished in 1.514s (kernel) + 3.331s (userspace) = 4.846s graphical.target reached after 3.328s in userspace.My machine is instantly usable in <5 seconds.
❯ systemd-analyze Startup finished in 14.565s (firmware) + 5.778s (loader) + 2.920s (kernel) + 3.307s (initrd) + 3.972s (userspace) = 30.544s graphical.target reached after 3.926s in userspace.You’re letting me down firmware!
What the hell kind of hardware are you running, son? Is your system waiting for the superconducting magnets of your particle accelerator to cool? Is your 400 lbs Honeywell tape drive running self-assessment tests? Is the communications array realigning to restore the connection to your hidden villainous moon base? What is taking fourteen seconds?
That’d at least make sense, this is a (literal) black box. Seriously, my monitor takes long enough to wake that it’s at the boot loader screen by the time it’s ready.
I found a post on Reddit claiming it’s a RAM thing, and I should enable XMP to avoid it. But I’ve already got XMP enabled so I need to poke around it again.
And also disable the 5 second delay in the bootloader, not like I’m ever using that fallback option.
The usual suspect in this scenario is crappy USB devices, hubs in particular. Unplugging all USB devices and rebooting to check the difference is always a solid and easy first diagnostic step. If that turns out to be the issue you can add them back piecemeal to isolate the offender(s).
I completely trust Systemd to accurately report on itself, the same as I trust American cops to police themselves.
Back when I used a HDD in my laptop, I was able to get my boot down to 20s or so. I don’t understand what MS is doing…
Yup, and Linux probably boots faster.
Someone once wrote something that compiled the Linux kernel on bootup with TinyC. Even this would be faster.
Install an outbound firewall and be horrified by how much Windows phones home and how much telemetry it continuously exfiltrates without your consent.
I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly. I still have to restart it every few days because memory management is shit.
I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly.
I admin several hundred Windows PCs so I’m pretty confident in saying that your computer is either a moldy potato, something is wrong with your hardware, or you have a very unusual software load. A modern Windows 10/11 desktop should go from power off to logon screen in < 30 seconds and from logon to desktop in < 30 seconds. Even an 8th Gen Core i5 with 8GB of RAM, a SATA SSD, and a full stack of security software will be ready to use in 60 seconds or less.
Whatever your problem is it ain’t “windows”…and I’m typing this comment from my home PC running Linux.
My win 11 pc (decently modern Ryzen 5600G) used to boot in 10~20 seconds, and then suddenly was taking 10+ minutes to boot. The problem? An external hdd. Removed that and instantly went back to 10~20 seconds boot. The people above 100% are having some sort of issue and just don’t know.
And Windows isn’t telling them. That’s part of the issue. If Cortana could tell them “this boot was slow because your video driver missed an update necessary for other system packages. Would you like me to show you how to fix that now?” that would be a win for your typical user.
Now THIS is a usecase that I can get behind. Microsoft shouldn’t be forcing AI, and instead just develop an optional tool for diagnosing PC issues. Problems logged in Event Viewer are not easy to understand, and an AI could be what is needed for making the unreadable into something actionable.
I do have several external harddrives, three monitors, and a MIDI keyboard. But “this computer will run fine as long as you don’t use the usb sockets” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement itself.
I have a Win11 PC sitting here with a Core i5 8500t, 16G of RAM, 1T M.2 SATA NVME, attached to a three position KVM. Hooked to that KVM are three monitors (2 x DP, 1 x HDMI), wireless keyboard & mouse, Creative USB T60 speakers, and a USB WebCam (logi 970e). Since it’s a PC I use for work it’s Entra joined and InTune managed running Managed AV, MDR, and a DNS Filtering Agent. Oh, and the drive is encrypted with BitLocker.
So I basically have as much USB attached crap as you do, sans hard drives, and it’s going through the USB Hub that’s built into my KVM.
Time from power off to usable desktop for that machine is under 40 seconds.
Your external hard drives are a likely culprit. I’d guess that they are either on an older interface or your PC is set to do a full AV scan of attached drives at boot.
Don’t get it twisted, Microsoft and their products piss me off on a daily basis. I’m not defending them.
10 minutes??? Did Linux just won by literally doing its own thing?
FYI there’s a MS Teams client for Linux.
people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.
I already communicate fluently with my computer. I double click an icon to communicate to my computer “open this”. I type into a search field to communicate “find this string”.
At no point do I want to communicate to my computer “log everything I do, then use those logs to give me something that isn’t what I’m asking for.”
I already communicate fluently with my computer. I double click an icon to communicate to my computer “open this”.
Wish I could upvote this twice.
At no point do I want to communicate to my computer “log everything I do, then use those logs to give me something that isn’t what I’m asking for.”
Won’t stop them from trying to shove it down our throats.
Of course they will never define “fluent”. They can’t do that because then they’d be proven as lying hacks, or else setting a low bar that was met several years ago.
Fluent seems weaker than valid, which is weaker than sound, philosophically speaking.
It[“A.I”]'s like a 2 year old.
I don’t want to talk fluently with a computer, I want it to do things deterministically in a way I as a human being cannot. If I want a discussion, I have it with a human being.
Call me old fashoined, but i like my computers to do exactly what I yell them to do.
Best typo ITT by far.
Exactly, if I wanted a discussion with a computer, I wouldn’t have gotten married.
How to be a tech shithead:
- Be disproportionately rich
- Surround yourself with yes-men
- Disregard any valid criticism as “haters”
- Become completely out-of-touch
- Get your mind blown by most basic, obvious things.
Somehow, this guy is the CEO.
Pro tip: when your customers don’t like your product, it’s not their fault. It’s yours, and the appropriate response is not complaining or incredulity that people don’t like it. The appropriate response is to change the product or scrap it completely.
“The customer is always right” might get misused a lot, but it is correct in this instance.
If a lot of your customers don’t like something, it’s not something wrong with the customers.
One of the older variations of the expression is, “The customer is always right in matters of taste.” Here we’re talking about reactions to reality, so it doesn’t quite apply directly, but still, these people are probably honest about what they feel.
There was a clip recently from a former silicon valley worker, saying that AI was everywhere, the talking point of every part, and basically the god they all worship. They can’t understand other people not wanting this.
Have they tried removing their heads from each other’s arses?
Except they see stockholders and investors as their real customers, and us as the plebeians they can dump their stuff on and be grateful for the experience. That’s what you get when speculative future value is the only thing that counts.
Why won’t the cattle enter the chute?!
Except they see stockholders and investors as their real customers, and us as the plebeians they can dump their stuff on and be grateful for the experience. That’s what you get when speculative future value is the only thing that counts.
Too long in monopoly, this logic escapes them.
Lay off the coke man, talking to a computer isnt impressive when the average persons hydro bill goes up each month to support your bullshit
God I love that movie.
What movie is this ?
Waterworld
A 90s Kevin Costner classic
^ Canadian
It is interesting to see his reaction to reality. He finds out that people think he’s peddling bullshit, and instead of asking why they think that, he dismisses them as irrational… That’s one way to run a company, but only if your company has a monopoly and customers can’t run away even if they want to.
His comparison to snake on his Nokia is actually good because in its current state AI is like a little gimmick for many users. Sure there are use cases but it can’t reliably perform any truly critical tasks because it makes terrible mistakes.
Imagine Nokia shoving snake in customers faces as it is being done with AI. Every phone marketed as OPTIMIZED FOR SNAKE. A big snake button on the phone as a shortcut to open it. Snake integrated everywhere. Trying to send a text? Would you like to play a round of snake first?
That’s what AI currently feels like.
have you heard of THE WORM i have installed THE WORM on everything you own THE WORM is great it can do POETRY and ART for you and also EMAILS are you happy about THE WORM ? THE WORM is monitoring your reaction to THE WORM at all times
Textbook narcissism. Yup.
Hence why Valve is releasing the Steam Machine to push SteamOS. It will illuminate a pathway to run away on. At least for gamers.
I’m still bit confused about steamOS, I thought it was supposed to be a full on operating system for gaming centric PCs but it seems to need Plasma in order to do any traditional computer things.
Which aspect of that confuses you? That it uses a Desktop Environment to do desktop things, or that they are using KDE Plasma instead of something else (say, gnome)?
So steamOS is in fact not an operating system it’s just a program that runs on plasma. Or is steamOS actually an operating system, but just quite a limited one, and you dual boot into plasma.
KDE Plasma is just the desktop environment. It’s not an OS. SteamOS is a full OS, built off of Arch Linux. It has both a Gaming mode, which looks a lot like Steam Big Picture does these days, and a desktop mode that uses Plasma as the graphical shell/interface. It doesn’t matter OS-wise which one you “boot” into, as both are SteamOS.
SteamOS is a linux distro based on Arch Linux, similar to any other. It’s a amalgamation of different pieces of software, including a traditional desktop environment (plasma). But it does not boot into the desktop mode by default, instead it boots into their own graphical environment (gamemode) by default, running their steam client.
That’s because their main focus is gaming machines, and that’s why they want gamers to be greeted with a consolized, 10-foot UI.
I think you’re confused because you think of steamOS being the UI (i.e. “Desktop Environment”) that welcomes you when you boot into it, instead steamOS is the entire package, including a “traditional” desktop environment (which is KDE Plasma), as well as their own (gamemode), etc.
A desktop environment is just a GUI program that your computer boots into by default. SteamOS just boots into Steam Big Screen Mode by default instead, and you can launch into the desktop afterwards. Plasma is the program that Valve chose to use for their desktop environment.
If you wanted to, you could skip all this entirely and launch your games or programs directly from the terminal without ever loading into your desktop.
A desktop environment is not a prerequisite for an operating system.
I mean it kind of is. If I have a gaming focused operating system it still needs to occasionally be able to do all the other computer things otherwise I have to have two computers or dual boot or something. If I had a console I would still need a computer, well the saying this can be all things and we can just switch from windows to this, so it also has to be able to do all of the other stuff too.
Kiddy, computer gaming existed WAY before any desktop environments. Imagine, even multiplayer online games existed before Windows 95…
Which it is, it is a fully fledged OS that runs steam in big picture mode when you start it. It also says on the page for this device that if you want you can install any OS onto it.
Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it’s still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? - https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine
I think you’re quite confused about what an operating system actually is.
you seem to be confusing an operating system for the user interface. An os can (and regularly does) have more than one interface. In this case steamos ships with two of them. One they designed which is targeted for games. And they also ship plasma as a desktop environment for those who need it. The operating system lies under all that, and you can launch any piece of software from either of the interfaces. (or the terminal, that counts as a 3rd way to interact with the computer, I guess)
Basically SteamOS is just a tweaked version of Arch Linux that boots Steam Big Picture Mode by default and launches games with Proton. It’s not a full blown OS by itself.
It is a full blown Linux OS. You can switch out of the gaming specific mode/UI to a Linux desktop environment using KDE. There you can install your own software and use it like a normal computer.
The only limiting factor is that the root file system is read only by default (can be disabled). If you want to install system level packages, you can work around this by using something like distrobox.
Yes I know I own a Deck. I’m just saying that the Steam layer is not, since the comment I was replying to was asking why you’d still need Plasma and not use the Steam UI to use it as a desktop
Because the Steam UI is limited to their software, you would still need a desktop environment and they chose KDE Plasma, if you want you could can customize it to look like anything or just replace it with Gnome (or other desktop environment for that you fancy). My guess to why they would not do this is you would create a dependency on you as a company to apply/check the changes for every update, instead of just relying on the desktop supplier (KDE) if you use the default UI.
Many people can run away, but it requires effort.
They’re completely out of touch with how normal people use their computers. The only people who want AI in their OS are the AI tech bros.
Do you guys not have phones - energy
As has been said elsewhere about everything Microsoft is pulling:
If your LLM was worth using you wouldn’t need to force anyone to use it.
You wouldn’t even need to encourage people to use it. A lot of previous innovations in the tech world were primarily spread by word of mouth. The usefulness was so obvious that as soon as a friend showed you, you wanted to try it out for yourself.
AI bros are beyond delusional.
Well the promise of AI is what they’re banking on: denying the skilled’s access to the wealth while not denying the wealth’s access to skill.
Come on guys, let us dominate everything while also denying you social security.
-The rich AI bros.
