The object of a system of authority is order, not justice. Justice matters only after injustice sufficiently compromises order.

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Cake day: August 8th, 2023

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  • but the sales numbers reported by some of the dealerships in question are nothing short of miraculous.

    Eh, maybe. I appreciate your skepticism but as a former Sales Guy the ending of the iZEV program would have made sales, including fleet sales, pretty damn easy.

    Let say you’ve had a company considering buying 50 EVs for their fleet and suddenly its in the news that the rebate program is ending. You now have 250,000 reasons to call the Dealership and get those vehicles under contract (Sale or Lease).

    It works the other way around too. The Sales Schmuck from the dealership goes through his book of recent visitors to the dealership and calls them up. “Hey, I just wanted to let you know that the iZEV program is going to close down. So if you want to save $5,000 you should get down to the dealership right away.” so the person who was interested runs down there and inks a deal.

    Those scenarios aren’t just plausible I’ve personally done them. The ending of a rebate program worth thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars is a powerful closing tool.

    Also the sales numbers only appear “miraculous” if you assume that the transactions all happened in those two days when they almost certainly didn’t. A couple hundred individuals buy cars in January meanwhile the phone is ringing off the hook with fleet sales and suddenly the paperwork is behind.

    This looks and smells strongly of fraud.

    Transport Canada has the paperwork, you can’t file a rebate claim without it, so its just a matter of time until the truth comes out. If Tesla tried to defraud the Canadian Government then I hope they get crucified for it.


  • So I’m cruising through the rules surrounding Canada’s iZEV program and contrary to all of the media coverage I can’t find any requirement that the vehicle be “delivered”… It’s even described on the official Transport Canada website as a “Point of Sale” program. Delivery at the time of sale doesn’t seem to be a requirement.

    Further if you look at the process, which also references this as a “Point of Sale or Lease” program, and the e-forms the end purchaser IS involved with this and consents to Transport Canada contacting them about their purchase.

    The number of vehicles does seem high but only in the context of individuals however the iZEV program allows for Fleet Sales and some entities could claim up to 50 vehicles. Now all of a sudden what would need to be 8,000 individual sales could theoretically be as low as 160.

    After reviewing the process and the forms it seems believable that Tesla slammed a bunch of legitimate sales into the system at the last minute. It’s a LOT less believable that Tesla made up all of these sales as the documentation requirements mean they’d certainly be caught the minute anyone checked.



  • Not gonna lie, I don’t get the hate.

    TEAMs was terrible going into the pandemic but it’s steadily gotten better, especially over the past 18 months. Reading down the comment chain though I’m in awe at the amount of problems that people are apparently still having with it!

    TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 10 box at work? Fine. TEAMs via app or browser on my Windows 11 Surface? Fine. TEAMs via app or browser on my wheezy HP laptop with Windows 11? Fine. TEAMs via browser (Firefox even!) on all three of my Linux systems? Also completely fine!

    Hell I’ve got Creative T-60 USB-C speakers, a logi webcam, and Turtle Beach headphones hooked to a USB sharing KVM for two of those linux boxes and it still just works.

    I must be the luckiest dumb-ass alive when it comes to MS TEAMs because at least for the last two years it just works.