Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
Let’s hope the rest of europe finally understands Trump ain’t their friend and never was
The rest of europe is mostly right-wing.
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
It’s the ones that he won that count.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.We (EU) support democracy and human rights,
Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
Still leagues better than the US though.EU has helped a lot boat migrants, and it’s not a human right to enter EU.
EU has helped a lot boat migrants,
I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation is generally a good thing,
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70’s.
There were also massive protests against that war in the 70’s, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70’s than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.That’s still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call “the 70s.” That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let’s not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also… uh… mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you’re conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.
Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I’m not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.
As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70’s, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70’s than early 70’s.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70’s, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70’s compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s.
Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It’s hard to argue that things weren’t somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but… so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What’s your point here?
I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It’s screaming babies all the way down
There’s a joke about the epstein files in there I ain’t gonna make… but it’s there.
Haha. That’s not the image I was going for
The frightening thing is that it often works for him. At least in short term.
His brain is mush. Have you ever been around someone who is losing their mind. Nothing coming out of their mouth makes much sense and most of it is anger.
He did admit he stopped growing/maturing by age 6. It tracks.
The Karen administration.
Infanticide.
Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!
Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.
Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
Can’t let perfect be the enemy of good!
You’re paying or seeing ads?
Not meaning lemmy.world (which I’m assuming to be European as the fedihosting foundation IBAN for donations is dutch) but GitHub which is free and (mostly, because copilot ads) adfree because paid with user data
Codeberg > GitHub
Ahhh gotcha
The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.
They aren’t even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.
Did you mean consistent?
Congruent:
Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.
“¡Come mierda, pinche guero cagaleche!”
Good job on Spain for having a spine
I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.
I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.
It’s called: instead of uniting together to eliminate Iran we should gather together and eliminate the US government with its oligarchs. This will immediately solve a lot of problems in this world.
Is it? They’re already there, so the incursion has already occurred.
I’d place military outside those bases just to be sure if i were Spain.
And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them … It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch’s can make a buck, then it’s taco time all over again.
As an Spaniard, this is the bare minimum I expect from my government. Better yet would be to evict the US from the Rota and Morón bases.
Spain is jumping a sinking ship. Kudos for being first.
Good job on the Republican Party for being complicit in our current president continuing to absolutely wreck the global image of the U.S. on top of everything else.
Yeah it’s the voters you need to blame here.
They or their lack of participation put them there.
They can get them out too, now, if they want.
It is also the voters yes but they are being deceived by the propaganda machine, idk at a certain point maybe the guys and gals actively stripping human rights from people and grabbing power can take a little blame
It’s the voters.
Sooner or later responsibility needs to be taken and excuses stopped.
No, the voters should take the blame for putting them there repeatedly. They won’t though…blame elsewhere, look elsewhere for a lifeline, do it all again.
“Blame the lambs being led to the slaughter, not the shepherds who gave them no choice.”
You’re a truly enlightened genius who is contributing greatly to the cause.
Every. Single. Time.
It’s on the voters. Stop whining through another piece of philosophy.
“Don’t complain about your leaders. It’s your fault.” Is not the convincing argument you think it is.
The leaders the voters repeatedly put there
It’s a lot better than blaming everything outside the genuine reason. Probably the reason it isn’t convincing to Americans is because they can’t take responsibility for it.
Obviously it makes a difference; the Republican voters use it well enough. The people they elected are trying to stop potential Democrat voters from doing it.
Just take some fucking responsibility.
Eh, I say blame both. They’re sapient lambs.
That’s reasonable. The voters bear some responsibility, but it needs to be acknowledged that the system is set up so they have as little power as possible while maintaining the illusion of democracy.
You are not lamb without agency. You can change this if you actually wanted to.
Go Spain!
Will someone ever succeed in explaining Trump what the EU is?
I’m pretty sure no one has ever successfully explained anything to Trump.
Certainly not the age of consent. Or consent in general.
Remember when he tried to discuss a trade deal with Merkel? And she is like “uh, that’s not how it works”
The next President is going to have so much work to do repair country relations. This man thinks he is king of the world and can do whatever he wants.
I suspect you’re significantly more screwed than just one next president.
Insert It’s Joeover Biden meme.
The sooner the US realizes there is no coming back from this, no matter who is elected in future - the better.
There is no coming back from this because US dollar dominance is waning. Internal American decay is either secondary to that, or a symptom of that, or both. That’s what’s really behind the scenes in all of this (that and Israel’s dreams of their own Zionazi Lebensraum, Eretz Israel).
The US used to be able to exert soft power to control the world, which lends itself much more towards moral superiority and an air of legitimacy than “do what I say or I bomb you or kidnap your president”. BRICS, mostly-failed Russian sanctions, and the slow death of the petrodollar are changing that ability. That they’re so desperate to maintain dominance that they now resort to borderline-world-war levels of violence is not an indicator of their strength to the world, it’s the desperate death throes of the old world order.
The important thing is that the US Empire (so Israel as well) is stopped before they can reach a fully automated army and/or police force, because that’s violence that obeys without compunction. If it reaches that point, it’s a whole different game.
Why? What does that even accomplish, the only move there is to make is to start grinding away to repair things
Cause in either 4 or 8 years the US will vote in another Trump, but younger and smarter. Trump might go someday but his bullshit, neoliberal, hypercapitalistic, super charged climate change, pro-billionaire, pro-corporation, anti-free trade ideas won’t
Yep, they’ve been voting this kind of lunatic in for years.
You’re right, they’ll do it again or won’t care.
The problem is that we know what’s to blame, so I’m not sure if the next president will alter the view now in many peoples eyes.
The problem is the people. They aren’t willing to do their national duty when it’s required, including now. They’ve mouthed off for years about how they and their second amendment right stops this kind of shit happening and have always been quick to criticise other democracies about their policing, control and lack of freedom.
Still, now, the only thing that can stop this, stop it all, are the citizens of the US. They won’t do it, though, and we’ll get a heap of excuses as to why.
So no, the next president won’t make any difference to me, what will is what the American people, whose feet this squarely lies at, do about it. I don’t think I’m alone.
More like the next five. All this damage is gonna take at least a generation to undo.
“thinks” the level of enabling means he is
This is a bullshit without context.
Cutting off trade with Spain would mean cutting off trade with the whole EU.
So this is embarrassing non-news.
Only thing I saw in a German headline article at all about this topic was a comment about how Merz did not tell Trump that fact (again…🙄) directly at the mentioned meeting.
