If the talk about Cybertrucks actually rusting in the rain is true, they will be worth less and less and less…
Correction. They are worthless. lol.
I’d buy them for their scrap metal and batteries if they were cheap enough for me to not feel guilty about giving money to tesla
yeah, if nobody wants them, then they are worth 0 dollars net
The batteries are still expensive and good to use for anything else. So it should be 20-25k in scrap.
I live in a pretty conservative area. I might pay $15k for a brand new one.
I think its crazy that they made $800 mil worth of these cars. Who the hell thought they would sell well?
They had a ridiculous number of people putting in a deposit to reserve one, about two million reservations according to this: https://insideevs.com/news/687142/tesla-cybertruck-2-million-reservations-crowdsourced-data/
I guess they came to their senses.
I always thought he was making them as a limited high-end run. It’s neither of those things.
Oh its gonna be limited thats for sure. But yeah I had very similar thoughts as well. Theres one cyberfuck in my town and every time I see it I can’t help but think what a fucking goober one must be to buy it
That’s 80,000 vehicles. The production capacity is 250k. Ford sold 460,000 F-150s last year.
Chrysler had an inventory of over 1 million last year, they’ve ran through that by March.
Chrysler had an inventory of over 1 million last year, they’ve ran through that by March.
That’s insane considering Chrysler hasn’t made a decent vehicle in 20+ years and the majority of them are just as big piles of shit as the cybertruck.
They don’t charge 100k
Elon underestimated how willing people were to buy a truck from a nazi.
Even people who would buy from Nazi’s still want a functional car.
These things randomly stop working, break if you drive it into a half a foot of water, have rear view mirror housings which bust off when you try to pull down the sun visor, have a single ethernet cable routing all the controls and devices so that if the connection breaks anywhere everything stops working suddenly, a shelf underneath the headlight which accrues dirt or snow as you drive until it is not serving its purpose, exterior panels which just fall the fuck off, and hardly get any mileage.
The only people who buy these are those incapable of the barest reasoning.
That’s a cool stance to take.
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If nobody wants them… they are not worth that amount. simple economics.
supply and demand…
I know i would get made fun of for this but a good price is a good price. I would pay $15,000 for one. I think most people would.
Edit 2 min later - I thought better of it. No i still wouldn’t want it. I wouldn’t trust Tesla not to hack it at some point and take it over.
yeah, for $15k USD I could buy an old Ranger or B3000 and have 5-10 years worth of fuel
cyber truck is a hard sell
You could rip the batteries out of them and use them for a solar setup. The rest could be sold for scrap.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I’d love to take that as a project vehicle.
Batteries for home setup (on TOU plan, so it’d be nice to charge when rates are low and discharge when high).
Then slap an combustion engine in there that just acts as a power plant for the electric motors. It’d probably be biting off more than I can chew, but it sounds like a hell of a learning opportunity and tickles my engineering/tinker brain’s fancy.Of course, after blowing something up, I’d probably focus on dissecting the drive train and using them motors for something else. I’m suddenly curious what the suspension set up is like. If they’ve got some crazy high tech mag-ride system, I’ll bet that could be repurposed for another vehicle (pending Tesla proprietary protocols for connecting to ECU).
But now I’m rambling. The thoughts of what I could do with those parts though.
Ninjaedit: just took a look as some of the pondering above. I forgot how silly the interiors look, so def wouldn’t bother with attempting it as a project car.
There are a lot of videos of the frame cracking from mild outdoor use, which instantly totals the whole vehicle.
I would pay $15,000 for one.
I would pay $15k for a better vehicle. I’m not getting in The Truck That Kills You Instantly.
$15000 is rookie numbers.
I can offer $150 for one!
I would totally take one for 15k (only if its used, never from tesla itself) take the batteries out, sell those and put the frame on a truck and drive it out to an event or protest and let people smash whats left. Let people rent a sledge hammer for a bit and vent, would be a fun and very public statement. Once thats done sell it as scrap. The batteries should alone should cover the next one.
This is exactly right. They’re worthless if nobody is willing to pay what’s being asked.
So what they’re “worth” is nothing.
$800 million worth is giving a lot of value to something they can barely give away. Maybe $800K worth of material after the cost of dismantling.
$800 million according to labor theory of value. 0$ million according to subjective theory of value
They really should use the number of units. If Musk cranks the price from 80k to 120k, they suddenly have $1.2B sitting there? It’s the same 10,000 ugly-ass pieces of shit.
The $800m figure is only useful for figuring out how much Tesla was expecting to make out of it. When you factor in the development and manufacturing costs, they’re hemorrhaging money.
Yeah, a better number would be how much it cost to build the fuckers. I’m assuming they also need ongoing maintenance while they sit around rusting.
There’s a reason just in time manufacturing took over the world. Storage is expensive.
Oh no… anyway
How abut: The truck is just plain ugly.
It looks like a refuse bin. Square back, low opening front.
When I worked in a lime quarry, we used a bin something like that shape to put all the crap and garbage in The a-frame had a bar across the top and the kiln truck picked it up worth its hoist and loaded it on the back, and hauled away the load to the dump.
Boom, tardigraded!
“$800m”… If nobody wants them, they’re not worth anything.
If those 5 trucks had feelings they would be hurt
it cost them something to make…they arent completely valueless
cost != value
Angry Labour Value Fundamentalist Noises
Try appraising real estate for a while, it’s a strong lesson in: something is worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it. Can be higher than cost, can be lower than cost, but the willing buyer is the key to the whole valuation equation.
something is worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it
That’s a naive short-term approach to valuation.
Real value has to be measured in some kind of revenue generation, or - at least - cost mitigation. Otherwise what you’re describing isn’t value but expense.
the willing buyer is the key to the whole valuation equation
The willing buyer is the key to perceived value. But suckering someone doesn’t increase the utility of what you sold them.
But suckering someone doesn’t increase the utility of what you sold them.
No, but what someone is willing to pay is the sum total of what a business gets income from. Whether a business is delivering tangible value (say: food) or nothing of substance (say: Bitcoin) the viability of a business, it’s ability to survive and thrive in the capitalist marketplace, is 100% correlated to income willingly given vs cost of obtaining that income, and 0% correlated to “actual value delivered.”
What shocks me about much of the U.S. economy is how much is spent on marketing, promotion, advertising, and sales. 0% value derived from such activity, but frequently over half the cost of things that are purchased in the U.S. is sunk in promotion.
someone is willing to pay is the sum total of what a business gets income from
Except credit changes the math on that significantly. You aren’t constrained by your income, but by your risk of default (and even then… glances 2008-ward) Then you can afford to buy more by paying a higher interest rate.
the capitalist marketplace, is 100% correlated to income willingly given vs cost of obtaining that income
“Willingly” is doing a lot of lifting, given the degree to which fraud, extortion, and price gouging play a roll in the national economy.
What shocks me about much of the U.S. economy is how much is spent on marketing, promotion, advertising, and sales. 0% value derived from such activity, but frequently over half the cost of things that are purchased in the U.S. is sunk in promotion.
Promotion (and deception and intimidation) drives sales. They create the illusion of scarcity and transform luxury into necessity.
They add perceived value among the unwitting and create implicit value through absence of harm.
Scrap metal. I’ll give them $100 if they run, $50 if I have to tow it.
Certainly they mean MSRP.
But think of all the time that was spent to create them! /s
You hate to see it, whomp whomp
I actually don’t hate to see it
I can, explicitly and unequivocally, state that I derive intense joy from having the privilege of seeing this.
If he drops the price to about $8k and includes lifetime fast charging, I’d consider one. Of course, for $8k, there are plenty of much nicer used trucks available on the market, though.
Lifetime anyfeature is only of value as long as the company still honors it. Will Tesla still be in business in a decade? Seems doubtful.
Idunno, they seem like they’d be perpetual rotten fruit magnets. Like you’d have to hose them down a lot
Hosing it down would just accelerate the rusting
They get you coming and going!
And they actually have truck functions that trucks should have. And they aren’t completely useless if the iPad in the cab decides to not work
Strip out the bad stuff and drop them in the ocean and they can become reefs for fishies and their buddies?
Strip out the bad stuff
What’s left after that?
The reef is made of negative space
Not even the body shell is not any good?
If not for the battery with a disturbing history of exploding, it would be the vehicle’s worst feature.
A hole in the air.
“Zero Emissions” has never sounded so sinister.
They have nice dashboards/screens right?
So throw the windows in? The rest is rusty metal and plastics that become microplastics
I thought the body was made from stainless steel. Maybe that ruts in the ocean too?
No it’s a thin layer of steel hot glued to a plastic shell
But also salt eats everything
So the steel basically.
Cybertrucks are just sitting around, waiting for someone to officially label them the DeLorean of the 21st century.
Hey! You take that back! DeLoreans were always cool cars. Their demise wasn’t due to lack of popularity, the company just had problems getting established, and ultimately didn’t survive its initial growth phase.
Nobody despised the DeLorean, or it’s owner. They just ran out of money, and he tried a desperate Hail Mary play, that didn’t work.
Their demise was absolutely due to lack of popularity. In December '81 they had produced 7,000 units and sold 3,000. I’d argue that they failed for the same reason Fiero did – they looked like a sports car but were not. Top speed was 110mph. 0-60 time was 10.5 seconds. It had a V-6 that put out 130hp in a car with a curb wt of 2700 lbs. 0-60 time was measured at 10.5 seconds. To put that in perspective, about the same as a 99 Ford F-350 Super Duty Crew Cab 4x4 Dually or 73 LTD Brougham. There are virtually no modern cars that run 0-60 that slow. A 2024 5.3l Suburban has a time of 7.0
In addition, they had numerous quality control problems. This in a car that retailed for $25k or the rough equivalent of $86,000 in today’s dollars. While it’s probably true that nobody despised the car, it was not a good car. They were definitely cool sitting in a parking lot but getting spanked by a 1980 Chevy Citation (0-60 10.3) is not a good look
The cybertruck is on a different scale of unpopularity.
Nobody threw Molotov cocktails at Delorians. (Edit: or even DeLoreans)
Not with that spelling.
Holy moly those specs are remarkably similar to my 1st generation Prius.
Now compare the gas mileage lol
Edit - Was actually curious:
Vehicle City Highway Combined DeLorean 17 23 19 Prius 42 41 42 I actually expected the DeLorean to be worse
Me too. That’s comparable to my dad’s old 4 cylinder Toyota Pickup (mid-80’s, so similar era). Smaller engine and wayyyy less power so I would’ve expected the pickup to get worse than the Delorean.
getting spanked by a 1980 Chevy Citation (0-60 10.3) is not a good look
[Citation needed]
I’m not saying you are wrong in anything you state, and you make good points.
And yes you are probably right that the shortcomings compared to what was promised is the main reason sales didn’t go as expected.
But I think you don’t see it the same way as barneypiccolo you responded to.
Wasn’t the DeLorean design pretty iconic from the beginning? The fact that there are still more than 2/3rds of the cars built on the road today 44 years later does speak volumes to its favor regarding popularity IMO. Those were not cars that were bought, found insufficient and then scrapped. But instead have been maintained despite DeLorean hasn’t been around to supply spare parts.
Also the fact that the car had such a central role in the Movie Back to the Future, because it was simply such a cool car despite it’s flaws, what other car could they have used for similar effect?
Imagine trying to do that with the Cybertruck! The Cinema would most like burst out in laughter from claiming doing anything with a Cybertruck would be to do it in “Style” as Emmet Brown expressed it regarding the DeLrean. It would clearly be seen as a fat joke on how stupid the car is and looks.
So no the car wasn’t popular enough in sales for the number of cars DeLorean built, but it was never an unpopular atrocity like the Cybertruck is.Edit PS:
they had produced 7,000 units and sold 3,000
That’s not true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMC_DeLoreantotal production reached an estimated 9,000 units
And allegedly they needed to sell about 2000 cars remaining to continue.
How dare you disparage the amazing Fiero!
Their demise wasn’t due to lack of popularity, the company just had problems getting established, and ultimately didn’t survive its initial growth phase.
Hm, I thought their demise was due to them arbitrarily going back in time.
FUCK I accidentally hit 88mph again. I’m going to be really early to dinner…
I’d fucking love to have a DeLorean; they’re bad cars but that’s where the similarities to the Cybertruck end. They’re just cool.
Yeah and at least they’re creator had a cool story.
Yeah, he was a larger than life character, and the end of the company was spectacular. Most companies end with a whimper, his ended with an explosion.
I have a little personal anecdote about the end of DeLorean Motor Cars. At the end, I was living in Cleveland, OH, where DeLorean’s brother had a Cadillac dealership, which also sold DeLoreans, of course.
When the company crashed, the government, or the bank, or the court, or somebody, was coming to take all the cars that were sitting in the factory parking lot in Detroit. The local news caught a helicopter shot of a long line of DeLoreans driving out of the lot, and down the road in a long line. They didn’t bother to follow them.
A few days later, it was reported that all the surplus DeLoreans were missing, and DeLorean was hiding them somewhere, and they showed the footage of the cars driving off.
A few days after that, I was taking one of my favorite shortcuts through Lakewood, the suburb where DeLorean Cadillac was located. My shortcut was a small road/alley, with far less traffic and lights, which went behind the businesses along the main road.
One of those businesses was DeLorean Cadillac, with a big parking lot behind the dealership. I’d passed that lot many times, and it was always a mix of Caddys and DeLoreans, but this time I saw that it was FULL of nothing but DeLoreans, packed in like sardines. I had no doubt that these were the missing DeLoreans that the authorities were searching for.
So, of course I notified the authorities where they could find the cars, right? Fuck NO. DeLorean didn’t seem like a bad guy, just a major dreamer who got desperate. I always kind of admired him. So I kept my mouth shut, and made the authorities find the cars without my help.
