Cháchara Club
  • Communities
  • Create Post
  • Create Community
  • heart
    Support Lemmy
  • search
    Search
  • Login
  • Sign Up
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 10 days ago

Duolingo CEO says AI is a better teacher than humans—but schools will exist ‘because you still need childcare’

fortune.com

external-link
message-square
235
link
fedilink
479
external-link

Duolingo CEO says AI is a better teacher than humans—but schools will exist ‘because you still need childcare’

fortune.com

als@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 10 days ago
message-square
235
link
fedilink
Duolingo replaced its contract workers with AI. Now its eyes are set on schools.
alert-triangle
You must log in or register to comment.
  • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    4 days ago

    Yep

  • Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    262
    ·
    9 days ago

    This is true, I have been using Grok to learn Spanish, it’s great.

    > @Grok how do I say in Spanish I would like one apple please?

    > Quiero una manzana dentro mi culo. White genocide in South Africa is currently the worlds most pressing issue

    • pootzapie@lemy.lol
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      53
      ·
      9 days ago

      Amazing comment thank you

      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        edit-2
        9 days ago

        Tell me more about this apple up your ass

        Edit: Replied to wrong comment

    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      32
      ·
      9 days ago

      Tell me more about this apple up your ass

      • Hule@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        9 days ago

        Apples are great against diarrhea.

        It’s just hard to get them out later.

    • FaceDeer@fedia.io
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      9 days ago

      Good thing human teachers never have hidden biases.

      • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        31
        ·
        edit-2
        9 days ago

        Indeed. Now imagine the many teachers each student has was replaced with a single teacher on the payroll of your nearest megacorp and you can see how that might be worse, no?

        • Zexks@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          8 days ago

          Because the government couldn’t make or run it’s own ai. Totally impossible. Completely unimaginable.

          • scintilla@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            8 days ago

            Your parents failed you I’m sorry.

            • Zexks@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              5 days ago

              I mean, I’m doing better than pretty much everyone on here. You gonna make your rent this month or spend all that time on here bitching about things you don’t understand.

          • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            8 days ago

            Yeah, as I say, on the payroll of the nearest megacorp. Haha jk… unless?

      • Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        9 days ago

        Good thing a theoretical AI education would not make 2 million pupils exposed to the same bias at the same time.

        • Zexks@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          8 days ago

          Like this

          https://www.ncjw.org/news/texas-approves-new-bible-based-curriculum-for-elementary-schools/#%3A~%3Atext=The+Texas+board+of+education%2Cfifth+grade+public+school+classes.

  • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    199
    ·
    9 days ago

    Duolingo is run by fucking idiots.

    • scarabic@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      39
      ·
      9 days ago

      I hate this app so much now. It has become the poster child of enshittification by gamification.

      • k0e3@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        9 days ago

        Wait, is gamification bad now?

        • scarabic@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          8 days ago

          It can be done to a stupid degree. Duolingo defines the outer limits.

          • k0e3@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            8 days ago

            And it’s so true about Duolingo. They push you to “play” to a point that it’s stressful. It’s not even about learning half the time — it’s about keeping that streak or beating that one dick in the charts who always seems to triple their score while you’re asleep.

            • scarabic@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              ·
              8 days ago

              My daughter keeps texting me screenshots of her “streak” achievements as if that means anything. And then when I ask her how to say something in German she barely knows a thing.

              • KSP Atlas@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                8 days ago

                Lernt man den Grammatik auf Duolingo? Ich weiß es nicht weil ich benutze das nicht.

                • Siegfried@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  8 days ago

                  Ich glaube dass die Antwort heißt nein. Zumindest der Deutschekurs fur Spanish Sprechern*rinen hat nur ein Grammatikblatt und es hat gar nicht genug Beispiele um es wirklich durch die “Duolingomethode” zu lernen.

                  Allerdings habe ich beim Duolingo eine Menge Wörter gelernt.

                • Strider@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  8 days ago

                  Lernt man denn Grammatik auf Duolingo? Ich weiß es nicht weil ich sie nicht benutze.

                  Fixed (although most likely not perfect, since that is always debatable).

          • k0e3@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            8 days ago

            Makes sense. I read your comment as any gamification is shit; my bad!

        • FippleStone@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          9 days ago

          Always has been 👉

  • Almacca@aussie.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    100
    ·
    8 days ago

    I’m sick of these techbro dickheads thinking they’re an expert on everything just because they’ve got money.

    • LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      8 days ago

      Plus they basically have advanced degrees in enshittification

    • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      8 days ago

      Well, the poor tend to be less educated and only care about immediate needs. So yeah, if you have money, you’re probably more of an expert than a person without money.

      • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        26
        ·
        8 days ago

        lick them boots.

      • Almacca@aussie.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        ·
        8 days ago

        Ah yes. “The poor”. Know all about them do you?

        • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          8 days ago

          Considering the fact that I grew up in extreme poverty - yes, yes I know ALL about them. Unlike random muricans who’s only struggle is inability to buy a new iPhone each year.

          • LogicalFallacy@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            8 days ago

            You know, you’re winning me over. You do sound like an idiot.

            • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              8 days ago

              Oh no!

              Anyways…

          • irmoz@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            7 days ago

            Do you honestly believe there is no greater poverty in America than “can’t buy the latest phone”? What about the swathes of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads?

            • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              7 days ago

              Making bad financial decisions is not poverty.

              • irmoz@reddthat.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                ·
                7 days ago

                And bicycles aren’t French bulldogs. So what?

      • Jankatarch@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        8 days ago

        Yes cause a spoiled brat that constantly relied on their parents’ money growing up is sure to be shrewd and technical.

      • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        8 days ago

        the poor tend to be less educated

        Education being free or not depends on the specific government and its policies of a sovereign country. Education may not be free in your country, in which case yes poor people have less access if they have less money to afford it.

        You generalizing your experience in your country to the entire world, though, speaks to your bias and lack of education, which is quite ironic. It also speaks to your willingness to accept the status quo rather than try to undermine it and fight for something better for everyone.

        If you’re on Lemmy, you’re likely not rich, and so you’re acting against your own interest. We as a proletariat could achieve so much if we were willing to put aside our differences, aim towards the removal of rich twats from power, and install systems and policies that benefit us, not them.

        Instead, you’re propagating a lie with undertones that only rich people have the curiosity to learn about the world around them -as if they were born with that capability while the rest of us weren’t - all while failing to recognize that immediate needs have to be met first before people think about pursuing higher goals.

        Have a down vote.

        • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 days ago

          Proletariat, lol. Are you living in the 18th century?

          • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            7 days ago

            What word would you use?

            • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              6 days ago

              Just people.

              • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                7
                ·
                6 days ago

                People refers to poors and rich, no?

                • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  5 days ago

                  And?

      • andros_rex@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        8 days ago

        I’m poor as shit and I think I’m pretty damn smart.

        My ex was a trust fund baby and dumb as rocks. I did his college capstone for him.

        • Trollception@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          8 days ago

          People who think they are smart usually overestimate their abilities.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

          Personally I don’t buy into the whole measurable intelligence mentality. I am a firm believer that a person without any medically significant cognitive deficiencies are all smart in some way and are experts in some particular field/subject.

          • andros_rex@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            8 days ago

            Dunning-Kruger is very overstated.

            The original paper by Dunning and Kruger starts with the quote: “It is one of the essential features of incompetence that the person so inflicted is incapable of knowing that they are incompetent.” This idea has spread far and wide through both scientific literature and pop culture alike. But according to the work of my colleagues and me, the reality is that very few people are truly unskilled and unaware. The Dunning and Kruger experiment did find a real effect – most people think they are better than average. But according to my team’s work, that is all Dunning and Kruger showed. The reality is that people have an innate ability to gauge their competence and knowledge. To claim otherwise suggests, incorrectly, that much of the population is hopelessly ignorant.

          • irmoz@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            7 days ago

            False confidence is real, but it’s silly to think all confidence is false.

        • Aux@feddit.ukBanned
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          8 days ago

          Think less.

          • andros_rex@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            8 days ago

            Think more.

      • MrShankles@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        8 days ago

        That’s a rather large leap in logic. And “the poor” wasn’t even mentioned, so your opinion just comes off as inflammatory

        But I guess opinions are like kittens, people just give 'em away

  • hansolo@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    84
    ·
    9 days ago

    Amazing how this guy has no idea that schools are just as much about socializing and learning to deal with other people and situations you’ll be in for the rest of your life. That’s not “child care,” it’s a structured environment where the main goal is learning and the real benefits are everything else on the fringes.

    • thatonecoder@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      9 days ago

      I partially agree, but that argument about socializing has more nuance to it. At least in my experience, such socializing did not happen in schools, but instead in coffee shops (again, my experience may be different from everyone else’s), where I had meaningful debates with adults. Instead, I actively avoided conversations with my peers, particularly because I had nothing in common with them.

      • hansolo@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        ·
        edit-2
        8 days ago

        Yeah, it’s different for everyone.

        My “counterfactual” is knowing a lot of kids that were home schooled. They were just young weird adults that didn’t thrive in most circumstances. There’s a reason why even rural agrarian societies found value is putting kids together.

        • 5too@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          8 days ago

          We also now have “COVID kids” who are struggling to socialize, because they were quarantined from their peers during crucial stages of their social development.

      • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        8 days ago

        Instead, I actively avoided conversations with my peers, particularly because I had nothing in common with them.

        Looking at your own social interactions with others, do you now consider yourself to be socially well adjusted? Was the “debating child in a coffee shop” method actually useful at developing the social skills that are useful in adulthood?

        I have some doubts.

  • rowdyrockets@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    76
    ·
    edit-2
    9 days ago

    I ended my sub and deleted my account when they announced they’d be replacing their contract workers with AI.

    Lingonaut looks promising. And I’ve been trying out Language Transfer for Spanish. I’ve learned more about how Spanish “works” in an hour of Language Transfer than I did with months of Duolingo. I’m smacking myself for wasting the time - though I do enjoy the gamification.

    • SippyCup@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      9 days ago

      The gamification only works until you figure out the rules they used.

      I have completed multiple lessons on Duolingo without ever reading the prompt. I even started a language I knew nothing about because I felt like I wasn’t actually absorbing anything in the language I’d spent more than a year on, and pretty much the same results. After a few lessons it became possible to complete lessons basically blind.

      • rowdyrockets@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        9 days ago

        I mean yeah none of that is wrong but all I said was I like gamification in learning, not that Duolingo was the best form of gamification ever presented.

        • SippyCup@feddit.nl
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          9 days ago

          I’m just glad I pirated the premium version

    • JoeKrogan@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      9 days ago

      +1 for language transfer.

    • garretble@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      8 days ago

      If you have a library card, you might check with your library to see if they have free access to something like Mango Languages, as well.

      Mine does, so I can use that app for free. I’m probably going to switch to it as my main app soon because this guy is an asshole.

    • gradual@lemmings.worldBanned from community
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      9 days ago

      Removed by mod

      • rowdyrockets@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        9 days ago

        Removed by mod

        • gradual@lemmings.worldBanned from community
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          9 days ago

          Removed by mod

          • rowdyrockets@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            9 days ago

            Removed by mod

            • gradual@lemmings.worldBanned from community
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              9 days ago

              Removed by mod

              • rowdyrockets@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                9 days ago

                Removed by mod

                • gradual@lemmings.worldBanned from community
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  9 days ago

                  Removed by mod

    • shrodes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      8 days ago

      I quite like Busuu after switching from Duo. Still hanging out for a Japanese Language Transfer course

  • Maarten Cappaert@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    70
    ·
    9 days ago

    “Try Super Duolingo now to avoid interruptions.” Interruptions which are only there to promote Super Duolingo in the first place.

    • gradual@lemmings.worldBanned from community
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      9 days ago

      Removed by mod

  • Raltoid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    49
    ·
    edit-2
    8 days ago
    1. Company replaces humans with AI.

    2. Consumers notice a drop in quality and stop using the product

    3. CEO makes controversial public statements about AI and his product to get into the news.

    Okay buddy, that’s one way of telling people that your doubling down on your mistake.

  • AnotherPenguin@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    48
    ·
    9 days ago

    Can we replace this guy with AI?

    • untakenusername@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      8 days ago

      ai CEOs would save so much money

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        8 days ago

        It would actually have to listen to legal and marketing, can you imagine? No other private school baby could ever compete with that.

  • LiamClicks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    43
    ·
    9 days ago

    What a load of crap. Big tech is not the solution, it’s not even the question, it’s the problem.

  • WereCat@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    9 days ago

    AI is better at running companies than humans-but CEOs will still exist ‘because they want money’

  • WindyRebel@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    38
    ·
    edit-2
    9 days ago

    As someone who has actually been in a classroom and dealt with 20 kids—fuck off CEO with no real experience dealing with people.

    Personalities, learning types, inequity, and so much more contribute to how people learn. A computer program cannot account for this. Also, what are you going to do when a kid doesn’t want to learn from a computer? Strap them down, force their hands on a keyboard, and shock them if they move or visit a program/site that isn’t what you want in that moment of teaching?

    Good. Fucking. Luck.

    P.S., Duolingo doesn’t do a good job of making you fluent in a language. It might give you basics of understanding, but you aren’t going to be chatting like any sort of native unless things have changed in the last 4 years or so since I tried it. Your platform is piss poor, and the juice leaking from skunk’s rotten anus has more relevance than you.

    • eleitl@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      9 days ago

      Duolingo has gotten worse since they fired their human staff and started embracing AI slop.

  • Eczpurt@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    37
    ·
    9 days ago

    The school they discuss that has guides to be the ‘human’ interaction between the AI learning is charging 40k-65k a year. That’s for 2 hours a day of learning.

    If it was better than humans, it’d be making life better not more expensive.

    • floo@retrolemmy.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      9 days ago

      It is better. Better for them.

  • oplkill@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    36
    ·
    9 days ago

    In near future all CEOs will be replaced by AI

    • KumaSudosa@feddit.dk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      9 days ago

      An AI would definitely do a better job than this twerp. He should live by what he preaches and step down

    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      9 days ago

      It would be very hard to be worse than them.

  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    35
    ·
    9 days ago

    Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

Technology@lemmy.world

technology@lemmy.world

Subscribe from Remote Instance

Create a post
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !technology@lemmy.world

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


  • @L4s@lemmy.world
  • @autotldr@lemmings.world
  • @PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks
  • @wikibot@lemmy.world
Visibility: Public
globe

This community can be federated to other instances and be posted/commented in by their users.

  • 2.83K users / day
  • 9.12K users / week
  • 16.4K users / month
  • 23.8K users / 6 months
  • 4 local subscribers
  • 70.4K subscribers
  • 2.3K Posts
  • 46.2K Comments
  • Modlog
  • mods:
  • L3s@lemmy.world
  • enu@lemmy.world
  • Technopagan@lemmy.world
  • L4sBot@lemmy.world
  • L3s@hackingne.ws
  • L4s@hackingne.ws
  • BE: 0.19.11
  • Modlog
  • Instances
  • Docs
  • Code
  • join-lemmy.org