Yet if we followed conservative logic, they want all trans people to use their birth assigned bathroom. But that means you’ll still have manly, bearded dudes walking into the women’s room because a lot of trans men are manlier than many cis men.
So even by conservative rules, you will still have people who very much look like cis men walking into the women’s room
They don’t want trans people in bathrooms or anywhere else. They want to disappear trans people, either by re-assimilating them into their “designated” sex, or if they are too far gone, just plain old disappearing.
Exactly. They just don’t want them to exist and they don’t care how this happens. This is the ultimate impossible goal they’re trying to achieve. I feel awful for the lgbtq community, because violence against them will only get worse.
You’re really missing the point still - the regressives want reasons to use their guns. They want reasons to hurt people. The goalposts will continue to move until they face opposition; at that time, they’re prepared to use their second amendment rights to fire upon Americans they disagree with.
The goalposts will continue to move until they face opposition.
They don’t think in a logical framework, they just keep punching and mandating and screaming until the ick goes away.
This is the take I’m surprised isn’t talked about more. If the point is to keep “male passing” people out of women’s restrooms, then you have to accept trans men as men and let them use their assigned rooms as well. Like there’s no “win” condition for the right on this argument and idk why more people aren’t pointing this out. If they’re already clutching pearls over butch looking women, what happens when Elliot page strolls in with a suit jacket and no shirt on?
The point is to keep making non cis folks illegal, the rules are just stepping stones to the ultimate goal of eradication.
This conservative’s brain crashed just thinking of the concept
Fuck that host. "This is something we can talk about more… " Video was cut, but you can tell she was going to change the subject.
They will cheer on the violence.
They want us in basements, closets, or graves.
Most don’t care which. Some won’t settle for basements.
It’s a nasty can of worms that never should have been opened.
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A GoFundMe crowdfundraiser has since been launched to help with her medical bills and to afford a lawyer to press charges.
The US is utterly fucked. Nothing short of a revolution will save them.
Why the fuck does she need a lawyer to press charges? Assault is a crime against the state. It’s supposed to be the police and the state prosecutor who deal with this.
The DA is supposed to seek criminal charges in criminal cases with enough evidence to prosecute. If the victim of any crime in the US wants financial restitution (for hospital bills, lost wages, etc.), they need an attorney to pursue a civil suit.
A civil suit, yes. But the description was to press charges. I thought it implied a private prosecution, rather than a suit over damages.
The state will fail to accomplish anything meaningful in prosecution - a bad deal or bungled case. Plus there’s the notoriety the case is already generating. She’ll need to file a civil suit as well, and she’ll need someone making sure everything is OK on her end (the attacker doesn’t counter-sue for instance).
I’ve been the victim of hate crime, you think you’re gonna get a justice boner and fight it to the core, but in reality the simplest/safest answer for the victim is to shut up and make it disappear. You’re already traumatized, fighting is confusing and painful.
Governmental agencies are abandoning their written duties for the current regime, including cops. Doesn’t help that cops are being trained that the public is the enemy. Also, regular investigations and crime solving has been steadily going down. Demographically, conservative-racist people is the biggest group to be in law enforcement, meaning they will be less likely to help someone that’s different. Just recently, the DOJ is refusing to enforce court rulings in favor of the orange king. It’s horrible, and dire, and too many in power seem to not care or trying to ignore it.
The reply you got is spot on, and so are you. Often, you don’t get choice as a victim, the state/county/city/whatever is charging a crime whether you like it or not.
In the US, there is no justice unless you can afford a lawyer.
I was assaulted at an inpatient institution last December. My stay was illegally upgraded to involuntary; I was denied the ability to file a grievance or speak with a patient advocate. I was also placed on the female ward as a passing transgender man and outed to all other patients. They did not provide me with discharge paperwork; as a consequence, I lost my job.
I cannot afford a lawyer; there will be no justice for this.
I’m so sorry this happened to you 💜
The revolution would be led by nazis who think trump is too soft
I thoight those types just move to South Africa?
We already had a revolution, we let the conservatives live and breed until they won the elections, Idiocracy
TERFs will try to blame trans people for this.
Y’all Yankees spend more time complaining about TERFs than homophobes it seems
Why do you think that is
They’re already blaming black people for it because the perpetrator happened to be black
Who is “they”?
Assholes. Transphobes included
I’m not surprised that transphobes in general are being racist about it. TERFs (emphasis on the R.F.) being racist is more surprising to me in this day and age. The current tactic of TERFs is to try to sound as progressive and reasonable as possible in order to couch their transphobia in an air of clean rationality. I don’t usually see them say racist stuff like that.
“This never would’ve happened in my christian fascist dictatorship… The perpetrator should’ve been white!”
“and state sponsored!”
Transphobia also hurts cisgender people.
I would know. I was hurt by it too. It doesn’t involve bathrooms btw.
oh yea it does, one of my family members was misgendered as a man when she went into the womans bathroom one time, eventhough she isnt, by an demographics that have a wierd reaction to asian people.
The more stories about this I hear, the more I just question the reason why gender norms even exist. And I mean that in general.
Like, what do you mean men shouldn’t act flamboyant and vulnerable? What do you mean little girls should always be seen playing with Barbie dolls (or in the context of my country, Fulla dolls)? Growing up, I never understood why making this distinction beyond the biological and sexual stuff was even necessary. Aren’t we all humans at the end of the day?
100% all humans at the Endo of the day.
The reason a lot of it exists is to communicate social roles, because social role mediates interaction. The earliest division of social role was biological sex, and so that’s commonly an aspect in gender.
How gender is expressed is a complex interaction between socially agreed upon norms, how the individual interprets their gender, how others interpret that, and so on.
Individual gender is a matter of psychological, biological and social factors which influence how an individual chooses to understand themselves in the context of society and also how they present themselves to society.The socialization part is where we teach people the behavior needed to express genders, and is where the genderd toys come in, amongst other things.
All that to say, what we need is a way to communicate social role, and what we have to do that is loosely tied to sex and dominated by an imnense amount of social momentum. In a sane world the genders would be split into a lot more pieces.
Understood.
You’re getting there, keep going.
This looks more like homophobic cunts rather than transphobic cunts.
The venn diagram is a near circle.
I really should’ve read the article better. But both are really bad for society.
These are all exactly the same people, if that’s not clear.
I’m not sure this had anything to do with transphobia. The attackers just sound homophobic; they probably saw her hair and don’t know or care that the slur they picked isn’t for girls. It’s sad that she’s going through this. Their girlfriends robbing them after they had been beaten down speaks volumes about what sort of people they are.
It generally really sucks to be a victim of a hate crime.
But ‘you can always tell’…
This was a homophobic hate crime, trans people weren’t mentioned. The bigots actually guessed correctly in this case.
Huh, it seems you’re right.
A fair point, I’ll put my hands up that I didn’t read the article before commenting, and made some assumptions based on the headline.
This woman will never feel safe using a public restroom again.
That’s their ultimate goal. Make women fearful and unwelcomed in public spaces. Hiding behind trans bigotry is just a win win in their eyes.
Not should anyone, in places like this! Yokes! Yikes, even!
"This should have never happened just because I am the way I am, and it should have never happened just because I was just trying to use the bathroom. But I don’t want people to be scared to stand up for themselves because they think that someone will hurt them all the time,” she told LGBTQ Nation. “I want to be seen as someone that is strong because they tried to ruin my life, but instead, they ruined their own.”
How sure are we that she was attacked because she was perceived as trans? This could be a simple mugging.
EDIT- nevermind I actually read the article, this was a hate crime
It sounds like it was more of a general biggotry thing than Trans, specifically m
Awful, just awful.
Y’all, don’t go anywhere without some means of self-defense. A pocket stun gun costs $20, or if you live in a country where they’re banned, carry a pocket corkscrew with a foil cutter on the end.
Stun guns, while potentially being intimidating to a lone attacker, are surprisingly ineffective if actually used for defense.
Pepper spray, specifically the type that uses a stream instead of a fine mist, is far more effective at stopping an attack and giving an opportunity to escape.
I recommend POM pepper spray, personally. The smaller versions are 50 state legal.
Yeah I’ve been hit by a few stun guns, but not the police kind. It hurts sure and it makes a scary noise, but if I were intent on violence they would not stop me.
The police kind might actually kill you.
But also are still only 60% effective and can be defeated with a thick coat, besides you need to have the exact distance between prongs for intramuscular incapacitation, too close, too far, or one prong miss will all likely fail to adequately incapacitate the attacker.
It’s a good option, no doubt.
I have a slock, which is a lock on a piece of pantyhose. It can be untied and left in my bag and nobody will know what it is at an airport.
Two rolls of quarters are entirely legal to carry, and act as makeshift brass knuckles in a pinch. The additional mass will make you break your knuckles, but you’ll be shattering their bones as well.
Fitspacks are always a bad idea. If you want something legal to carry, start keeping your keys on a locking carbiner rated for rock climbing. If it has a kilonewton (kN) rating stamped in it, it is suitable. This won’t collapse on your hand and no amount of force any human is capable of generating will break it, but anyone whose nose you drive it into at maximum effort is likely to remember the experience. This should also be legal to carry anywhere.
Shattering your knuckles sounds like a bad idea, especially if your initial defense does not incapacitate your attacker, as it may render you unable to continue to fight back.
As Despoticruin mentioned, a ‘tactical’ style flashlight or pen would be better options, and you can temporarily blind or disorient the attacker(s) with a flashlight as they close the distance.
Should be mentioned any close-in physical defense like that should be a last resort tactic if you cannot escape, and in those situations, a defender would massively benefit from being physically fit and somewhat knowledgeable on how to fight, preferably from classes where you learn to both dish out and take a punch.
Even then, those tools won’t give you much of an edge if you’re outnumbered. Pepper spray is still the best non-lethal option for areas that allow you to carry it.
If you go this route then hammer, don’t punch. I hear that those small steel flashlights with the castellated heads are perfect for exactly that kind of swing.
My Tae Kwon Do instructor told us to strike the hard stuff (knife hand/hammer the head,) and punch the soft stuff (body.)
Edit: when I say “Knife Edge,” and “Hammer,” I’m referring to the edge of your hand, and the bottom of your balled fist, not actual weapons.
You can put a bit more force into a punch from a standing position because you can use your legs, but using a weapon that adds mass to your hands can very easily cause permanent damage if you punch. Using strikes takes advantage of the weapon itself to take the majority of the recoil. The combination of the added mass usually makes the weaponed strike hit harder than an unassisted punch either way.
I’m aware. I had a friend who was being bullied, and he brought a D battery to school, put that in his hand, and broke 3 of his fingers. And also the bully’s nose. So yeah, that’s why you save the punches for the body, and palm/edge/hammer strikes for the head. Or a good elbow or knee.
Definitely not a bad way to go in a pinch.
This is more common still for trans people who are earlier on in their transition but the media doesn’t talk about it. This violence was intended for a trans person so why do people only care when it impacts the cis? This ultimately says that violence towards trans people is ok but that it is a problem when those who aren’t trans are impacted.
I see your point totally… the main people that are suffering are trans and that matters. This headline hopefully brings awareness to cis people, and maybe even make anti trans people think “hang on, there’s a risk to ME”. But it does miss that trans people are at horrible risk in so many ways
This is more common still for trans people
Not sure about this. There’s way much more cis women that trans women, so attacks on “trans women” could have more cis women victims just because of the number if cis vs trans women.
Purely as numbers, this isn’t crazy, but since the size of affected demographics is so different, you have to look at proportions rather than just figures
This violence was intended for a trans person
Did you read the article?
When she confirmed that she was indeed a lesbian woman, one of the individuals hit her
So, no.
And I’ve see n similar reports that did indeed involve trans people so… also no.
I dont understand why she engaged at all or what was to gain by sharing she was lesbian.
This ultimately says that violence towards trans people is ok but that it is a problem when those who aren’t trans are impacted.
For the people you want to reach with these kinds of stories, it is. I don’t think there’s much use in preaching to the choir.
cis lesbian
I guess I don’t know what cis means. Pretty sure I’m clear on lesbian, but I guess you never know.
A trans woman who’s attracted to other women would be a trans lesbian, if that’s what was tripping you up.
Cis = cisgender = she was assigned female at birth and is not transgender
Nice. I appreciate the simple explanation. And fuck this place for downvoting people looking for explanations. Just lemmy flavoured reddit dickheads.
Cisgender means “gender match (birth) genitals”
Cis is short for cisgender. It’s the antonym of transgender. Has nothing to do with sexuality.
Cis-het would be cisgender, heterosexual.
Trans comes from “on the other side” as cis comes from “on the same side”.
If you know how to create an account and post here, you also know how to look up words.
You are clearly overestimating the American public education system.
It’s about having a conversation. Who knows, maybe a bunch of people that were confused on terms learned from this.
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Okay, I’ll never ask a question about anything I don’t know ever again.
Please suck my genitals on your way to go fuck yourself.
I think a lot of people don’t. The word ‘cis’ seems to have been invented because some people object to the term biologically-female or biologically-male, but that’s generally what it means.
Cis and trans have existed since Ancient Rome was a thing
So has the french language but it still isn’t going to adequately convey the meaning of biological sex to most Americans.
No, French did not exist at the same time as the Roman Empire.
Thank you for that information. I hope you have a pleasant weekend.
To add, cisgender is not that new of a word, it’s been around since the 90s in English. Using the term “biological male/female” is an immidate red flag as it carries with it the insinuation that trans identities are not ligitimate; you could just say “not trans.” Hence the heavy use by right wingers and bigots.
Thank you for your response.
Specifically transhobes prefer saying biological this and that rather than use a trans persons gender identity as a way to purposefully invalidate them
And so it continues…
ok but this happens to all kinds of americans dialy for no reason
They are called a faggot and then are beaten bloody for it?
cursed at, beaten unconscious, robbed, and often murdered.
Yes, your country is a fucking armpit for a number of reasons (I think at last count 347089088 reasons). But it’d be real cool if bigotry wasn’t one of them.
agreed.
also not the only armpit country.
Agreed
lol, don’t say that about canada
The good bits of the planet are the bits of the arctic not controlled by Russia or the USA. I’m sure the Canadian arctic is just as nice as the Scandinavian arctic.
The reason so many people down voted you and this got reported so many times is likely a combination of:
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It happening more than it should, which makes it a fit for this sub.
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Her identity was the reason she was attacked, she wasn’t a random victim.
I don’t think you’re actually trying to be bigoted, but figured if I wasn’t going to remove your comment I should at least try to clear things up.
thank you for the open and communiticative moderation ; it’s a breath of fresh air in a ban/censorship hungry internet.
It wasn’t meant as a terribly serious comment, any more than a dystopia’s boringness, is meant to be a completely serious idea.
I don’t believe there is such a thing as random victims. Also, all violence is happening more than it should. Picking and choosing which identities, situations, and thus people ; qualify as dystopian, can be complicated in that way.
However, light heartedness, humor, and framing things as boring, can be a powerful and effective response to otherwise dire circumstances. Which is part of the value of this community, imo.
My ultimate hope is we can start to find ways to unify and create solutions, but your guess is as good as mine on how to do that.
Talking instead of banning, blocking, and censoring is a good start though, so thank you for that!
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Oh, well I guess rampant violence excuses their bigotry
lol. i personally prefer no violence.
So then why excuse the violence?
I never excuese violence.
ok but this happens to all kinds of americans dialy for no reason
That sounds very much like excusing the violence through normalcy
normalcy is no excuse for violence
Huh?
So what? Does that make it better?
no, but it doesnt make it unique
So what? Does something need to be unique to be awful? And who even said it was unique?
generally people don’t post about common violence like car accidents, or murder in poor neighborhoods.
but of course it’s an aweful story, and fits the sub.
Idk man, I’m sure I’ve seen posts about “common violence” before
could be 🧐
