Ceo makes how much?
Yeah, but their job is like reeeally hard!! They deserve it. /s
I clicked it. 7mill usd it looks like
What difference would it make if CEO got a minimum wage if there is no stable income stream for the company regardless?
Because having a CEO earning 100x of an average employee disincentivizes looking for stable, consumer-friendly income streams.
Why would the leadership want that, the only way they can continue paying themselves that much money is by sucking big tech’s tit.
Oh look we’re back to the “open source software can’t survive on its own without gobs of money and million-dollar CEOs wah wah wah” again.
Wtf you on about?
The grand majority of all costs for Firefox are in engineering salaries. And there is no million dollar CEO relating to the nonprofit’s expenses, that CEO is paid for from funds from the for profit organization.
Browsers are CRAZY expensive to build and maintain. And teams of engineers are crazy expensive.
Thank you for repeating the talking points.
Thank you for making no effort to engage in conversation and instead trying to shut it down because it doesn’t agree with you.
Insinuating that I’m repeating talking points as a way to dismiss my opinion is the kind of bad faith comments no one wants here.
You started your quest for good faith engagement with “Wtf you on about?”
You’re not just a corporate simp, you’re a hypocrite as well. I don’t want to engage in conversation with people like you, there’s no point.
And what percentage of Mozilla’s income goes towards Firefox?
Mozilla sucks as much as Wikipedia when it comes to funding
Well goodbye mozilla it wasn’t great knowing you. Hopefully you are able to fuck over the devs and golden parachute your c-suite bastards one last time.
Maybe, but what are the odds of a fork taking off? It was started under the codename “Phoenix” and went by “Firebird” for some time before becoming “Firefox”.
Maybe it’s time for a fork to rise from the ashes and take off…
There are already several forks that are fairly popular.
What does it matter? They all rely on Mozilla to do the hard work - maintenance and keeping up with web standards, and then just slap a couple of features and customizations on top of it. If Mozilla dies the current forks are dead in the water.
The problem isn’t the existence of forks, it’s rather how many developers are behind them. Mozilla has around 750 employees, so I’d guess maybe around 500 full-time devs work on Firefox. Tor Browser and such have significantly fewer contributors, who only do this stuff in their free time.
Any fork will die a slow and painful death of it can’t get the necessary funding for project management and maintainer salaries.
It will also dwindle, hard, towards irrelevancy.
In world where the only viable browser is one owned and operated by Google.
I’m not that pessimistic, development for Ladybird seems to be going well and those crazy people are building it from scratch rather than basing it on Chromium or Firefox. There’s also Servo. When Mozilla dies the forks will hang on for a while then we’ll have alternatives.
I’m familiar with them.
These are projects sitting years, maybe even a decade, away from maturity. IF web standards and capabilities don’t change at all over the next 5-10 years.
Hopefully that puts this into perspective. These are really cool projects, but without a massive influx of engineering effort and organization, they will likely be perpetually, hopelessly, behind the standard rate of change required of browsers. Nevermind meeting the current standards of performance, security, observability, ecosystem, user and developer experience.
It’s always good to check in on these projects yearly, see how it’s going, see if they are accelerating or slowing down. Eventually one of them will take off, and potentially leech resources from other similar projects.
Though, the nature of FOSS is that 1000 people will work on 200 different projects all trying to do the same thing, instead of combining and organizing efforts to go after the same unified goal.
This isn’t really a statement of fault but rather a statement of reality. Without dedicated full-time organization, this is usually how scattered resources solve problems. Which is a core problem here in that dedicated organization to rapidly grow the engineering effort for a particular project usually requires funding and full-time employees. To both market it to engineers as an interesting project, mature documentation and DevX, mature the onboarding experience for devs, and to handle the organizational aspects of distributing said work.
Its interesting they don’t have all the services Proton does. I’d pay them for a email and VPN combo.
deleted by creator
Imagine how much open source software could be developed for $500 million/year. What the fuck has firefox done?
Try to get MORE money so that they can pay their CEO.
They’ve paid their CEO.
500 million would pay for almost 5000 full time developers.
Fuck developers, we need more “leadership”
deleted by creator
Because a browser is several orders of magnitudee more complex than a website.
Wikimedia is even using php still. Firefox created Rust I believe, in order to advance.
Rust was originally created by a Mozilla dev as a hobby project. Also, the Mozilla rust team was fired in 2020 during a “restructuring”.
Ah weird.
“Weird”
It seems like such an import project.
People in charge of Mozilla are there to cock block Firefox. Similar with Signal
These are just my opinions though but I learned long time ago to look at what they do, not what they say. Thay will generally get me closer to the truth.
Corpos MO is to always lie, I think they call it “Public Relations”
Maybe, just as a crazy thought here, jwz was right. Mozilla and Firefox exist for 2 purposes - to build the standard reference browser, free of corporate crud (like, say, Google WebExtensions); and to be an absolute attack dog against ridiculous corporate desires.
Didn’t get the second part, wdym?
I mean mainly fighting against the standardization of DRM, or tolerating anything that allows corporations to demand their “features” (anything that removes privacy) become standard. The difference between a good browser and a bad one shouldn’t be whether you can finagle a Widevine license for cheap.
Or, more generally, they should be actively blocking anything that would benefit corporate interests over the rights of the people. But since the Linux Foundation threw in with Google, Microsoft is a Google client, and Mozilla Corp runs on Google money, the W3C has been a joke for years. Mozilla has made themselves irrelevant, since they were just seen as a means to prevent the Google antitrust cases.
Hopefully this breakup of Google, and the loss of the money, will get the CEO (currently earning 1% of the total of Mozilla’s money - no one person should do that unless there’s less than 100 people), and that whole bunch to leave so that volunteers can take over.
I agree, Mozilla currently sucks (plays in both sides) and needs change
