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Donald Trump is accused of raping a former Miss Switzerland in a report probing the president’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein released by House of Representatives Democrats this week.
Beatrice Keul, a retired model and beauty pageant contestant, told the House Judiciary Committee about an incident alleged to have taken place at New York’s Plaza Hotel in 1993. The report, released a week ahead of the midterm elections, also summarizes previously reported allegations from four other women against Trump.
The White House has strongly denied all of the reports’ claims, accusing “crazed” Democrats of “a desperate attempt to distract Americans” and insisting that the president has been “fully exonerated of anything related to Epstein.”
Keul previously claimed in October 2024 that Trump had sexually assaulted her at a beauty pageant staged at the Plaza Hotel, which Trump then owned.
“The president may have raped someone, but we need to double down on the made up rape threat that transgender people pose to women!”
-Republicans, demonstrably.
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The White House has strongly denied all of the reports’ claims, accusing “crazed” Democrats of “a desperate attempt to distract Americans” and insisting that the president has been “fully exonerated of anything related to Epstein.”
Funny, the White House started a whole ass war to distract from the Epstein files. Projection at it’s finest.
And before the 2016 election he fired off probes to HILARY’S EMAILS which was a literal nothing-burger…
…then HUNTER’S LAPTOP which was an absolute fabrication.
But documented undeniable proof that someone who has been found guilty of rape, has documented history of rape and being a pedo, and openly bragged about sexually assaulted women…yeah that’s just a baseless witch hunt
But wait – Hillary had shared recipes for prosciutto. Prosciutto!!!
In Wag the Dog they only pretended to start a war.
Ok, now the elected officials will do something about it? Right? Right?
What do you want them to do? The DOJ works for the pedophiles.
We decided that Democrats don’t deserve votes and should be the minority party. They have no power to do anything but write memos. Why are we suddenly pissed they’re not doing more after we stopped then from being able to do more?
Democrats controlled the DoJ when Biden was in office for four years.
Did they do anything? No. They insisted that the investigation of a man dead for 10 years was ongoing.
Translation: Fuck you voters, we love Epstein, too
The Biden administration slow-rolled the prosecution of Trump because they wanted to avoid any semblance of it being a political prosecution. That was a mistake, because there was no way for them to avoid the accusation of politicization, and failing to act quickly allowed Trump to retake the White House and overtly politicize the justice department.
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Official act. No insurrectionists can run for president.
Cooler heads will remember that SCOTUS carved out the exclusive right to determine what actually qualifies as “official”
TLDR assassinating Trump would have only given magats a martyr.
Fighting that out in court wouldn’t bring back the dead and Biden is so old that there’d have been few consequences to him regardless.
But it was never in him. By letting the prosecution play out, and trusting the public he promised to represent, he acted as a faithful democratic leader. Wartime leaders like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln deliberately stepped aside to allow boring democratic leaders like Biden to facilitate reconciliation after conflict.
In this case, the tactical error was letting the public re-take the wheel, assuming they had learned their lesson and were now smart enough to not be fooled by the same fascist conman.
Making that decision for them might have thwarted the carnage, but more likely would have only postponed it allowing a significantly more competent and disciplined fascist administration to be granted power 4 years later.
Truth. When you’re the only ones playing by the supposed rules of decorum, are there really any rules of decorum?
Though it pains me, and this opinion will undoubtedly be unpopular, I disagree that it was a mistake for Biden to avoid making Trump’s prosecution a priority.
Obviously in hindsight it was a tactical error to allow American voters to re-take the wheel, but in principle the decision to not expedite a trial in order to conclude before the election expressed faith in the public to not screw up.
In technical terms he was acting as a jus post bellum democratic leader, not a responsible-government technocrat, pragmatic tactician, or revolutionary.
So it’s easy to say in hindsight “it’s a pity that he did not stab that vile creature when he had a chance!” But trust in others you claim to represent is never a mistake, even when that trust turns out to be misplaced.
The DOJ was not under political control until Trump decided it should be. Again, I get that Republican brainrot has convinced you that open corruption is normal and good, but Democrats generally follow the laws.
What did they do about trump and the Epstein files before they lost all seats of power?
Hmmmm
Checks notes, ahh, I see, wrote memos.
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I’m not trying to attack you. Having read your history, I’m pretty sure you are well-meaning. But everyone, including you, would benefit tremendously if you would learn to consider the impact of the ideas you repeat based on when, where, and around whom you repeat them. If you need to vent frustration with other activists, there are more fitting places than public forums.
I suppose you mean RBG then? Or maybe crooked Hillary? Or
sleepygenocide Joe?He got a promotion.
…Harris’ Zionism…Hillary’s emails…Obama’s drones…Clinton’s philandering…Carter’s malaise…
All totally accurate and proportionate. Obviously we should let the fascists fix everything.
Yes, and also prosecuted the surviving accomplice.
Now I understand that you’d prefer Democrats to be just as openly corrupt and criminal as Republicans, but unfortunately for you the Democrats still do follow laws, even when those laws mean that the Epstein files remain sealed by court order.
Of course, that court order was lifted in 2025 and a law was passed specifying their release. Republicans, being much more willing to openly break the law, chose to not release them.
The only woman? Yeah, she was always going to be the scapegoat. A woman in a crime ring or a poc in a white man’s ring, is a pressure release valve.
There are dozens and dozens of people they could have also been prosecuting. If not hundreds. But all they needed for their little legitimacy play is one. single. solitary. woman. For decades and decades and thousands of rapes and billions in money laundering and god knows what else.
Follow the law? I guess the law doesn’t say anything about being one of the actual hundreds of rapists or facilitating money laundering or anything. Jfc you’re drunk on their bullshit.
Many people have been prosecuted, not just maxwell.
Of course none of those prosecutions have been advertised on Fox News, so I’m guessing you haven’t heard of them. And, of course, since enough people bought into your bOtH sIdEs bullshit, most of those prosecutions have been quietly pardoned or dropped by Republicans.
Congratulations! If I genuinely thought you gave a fuck about the pedophilia, I’d say you played yourself. But I’m guessing you don’t really give a fuck about that, and just want to blame Democrats and defend trump.
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Yeah that’s about the level of “reasoned argument” I’d expect out of you.
Give me an alternative then.
There isn’t one. That’s why we vote Democrat, duh
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They did… They released a memo. What, is that not GOOD ENOUGH??
an incident alleged to have taken place at New York’s Plaza Hotel in 1993
You don’t have to say ‘accused’ we fucking know he did it
Mister “grab her by the pussy”
I mean hate to say it but we don’t. If she came out and aaid OK much more likely but the Democrats being only source.
She DID accuse him publicly in 2024, why not just… read?
Why read when you can just doubt a woman?
“I hate to say it but we don’t know the fire started here. All we have are the firefighter’s reports about how there was a guy with a campfire here, The guy’s proven record of starting fires, and a statement from a witness saying he did it.”
Fuck off dude
Yeah, you can philosophically argue that we don’t “really” know anything you choose, since there is no way to prove with 100% certainty that the reader isn’t a brain in a jar or in the matrix or an actual simulation.
But for practical conversations about the real world, fuckin c’mon. The actual president of the actual country I live in is one of the most “accomplished” famous rapists on the planet. And if he isn’t, then he is the subject matter of the greatest psyop in human history.
The good thing is to assert that he did it because he’s a scumbag. The correct thing is to preserve the presumption of innocence because that’s a reflection on us and it’s a slippery slope to people picked up on the street for jaywalking and being incarcerated for their healthy valuable organs.
Being good and being correct can be at odds, but you need to one day understand why that’s okay.
In court, sure. This isn’t court and you’re not his lawyer. This is a web forum and it’s fucking wild how people suddenly jump to his defense when hard evidence of yet another rape comes up.
Gtfoutta here.
The Democrats’ *House Judiciary hearing at which she testified.
“Fully exonorated”? By whom? When? Where?
BTW, you cannot exonorate people like Trump, who never had any honor to start with.
By FBI agents redacting his name from Epstein files. What a time to be an FBI agent, spending all your time trying to cover up for daddy Donald Trump. I am sure they feel really proud of the work they do.
I mean, this is a new low for the FBI but it’s not that much lower than their last low.
fair enough…
By trump. In his muddy, nasty little mind.
I have the same question. They haven’t even released all the files, let alone investigated and prosecuted anyone. They’ll just lie to your face and the press never ask questions.
Absolutely on brand for Trump.
Its just nuts that the WH can just issue a 3 sentence press release and the story barely rates a mention.
Who hasn’t trump raped, really? It honestly seems, given what’s in the Epstein files and in interviews and FBI reports, that every young blonde woman in his circles has either been harassed or raped, because he has a fucked up compulsion and no ability to constrain himself. He thinks all such women not only owe him that, but should be grateful for his disgusting, grubby attention.
He’s like Jabba the Hutt but somehow more disgusting. I think the list of women in his orbit who were not subjected to this shit would be much shorter.
“Grab them by the pussy. . .”
He admitted to being a sex offender before being elected. It didn’t matter to republicans then, and it won’t now. They’re twisted and depraved if they can continue to support him, with the constant drip drip of allegations. And what we hear about is going to be just the tip of an iceberg of abuse.
It did not help that so many wingers and of course their accomplices in the Murc’s Law Media acted like the problem in that admission of sexual assault was using the word “pussy”.
Of course, since they were already so used to reaching for the “civility” narrative, because donnie said “pussy” instead of some other term, it was so very easy to talk about it as if “ermhagawd, he said the P-WORD!” was what people were actually taking issue with vs. the crimes he was actually admitting to.
It was absolutely infuriating.
I have to assume this is because they also think this is normal, which makes me highly suspicious they’re sex offenders (or want to be) themselves. Why else would they think this is okay? So now, if someone tells me they’re a republican, I recoil because I have to assume that means they’re fine with rape.
Yeah, unfortunately I think that’s a fair assumption. I wouldn’t want a trump supporter around my kids - if I had any. I don’t think they forgive or overlook his sex crimes, I think they endorse them, maybe envy them.
He’s like Jabba the Hutt but somehow more disgusting.
Even Pizza the Hutt is less disgusting.
I’d bet some damn good money that that fat orange barrel of syphilis raped his daughter (on many occasions).
There’s a video out there… Can’t remember the show, but they go into her childhood bedroom and she looks visibly shook.
Complete attitude change after memories come back.
Had not seen that, thanks for sharing. The complete tonal and attitude shift is pretty chilling.
It’s a little out of context, but given the mound of rape and child sexual misconduct against orange menace, it’s very telling.
It’s a bad HBO “documentary” from 2003 called Born Rich.
It’s actually a pretty good doc, IMHO.
Also, Ivanka admits to something donnie probably would not have admitted - that donnie was deeply in debt at one point. She says that he points to a homeless person and says they have more money than he does.
To each their opinion, of course.
Born Rich, which originally aired on HBO, is not a good movie. The camera angles are weird, the lighting inconsistent, and the theme never moves beyond “Having money sure is complicated.”
Love the whataboutism in this answer. Doesn’t matter the opinion.
Her reaction alone is impossible to dismiss. She’s obviously traumatized about something here and gets very emotional. If you can’t connect to it I guess you’re a very troubled person. But its just a guess.
I completely agree that the film shows her traumatized in that room, probably related to the fact that her father, the president of the United States, is a child rapist. That has fuck all to do with whether it’s a good film or not, which is what we were discussing lmao
Back all the way the fuck off, homie
Yea, we forget he is not just a pedo, he is an incestuous pedo
Same thing with all the women he hires, like Natalie.
ITT: People who totally forget how it came to be that the Epstein files are even public, the insane amount of fighting that has gone into this and is still going into it, and who have not read the report itself.
Hint: Here’s the actual report. You should read it.
Or hell, just read the introduction. It details many law enforcement and bipartisan Congressional efforts at all levels, in every way possible, over the span of multiple administrations, to act against the pedophiles in power.
You never asked yourselves that, did you? You have literally never asked yourselves, “How is it I even know about Jeffrey Epstein?” You only know about him BECAUSE a lot of people, Dems and pre-MAGA Republicans alike, did a great deal of something. He was only arrested BECAUSE a lot of people on all sides did a great deal of something.
But these people screeching in this thread ignore all that, and are acting as though a lawfully-acting US president has the power of a dictator and billionaires have none. This too is a flat out lie and distortion of reality. For example, it is well known that Epstein had informants in the FBI: that he even got arrested in 2019 is a miracle in itself. Billionaires pay people, including people in government, while a lawful president has his hands tied by the separation of powers created by the Constitution.
During Trump 1.0, there were still law-abiders in key positions in both the executive and the judiciary that were able to keep him in his lane and out of active investigations, and that’s how it was possible that Donald Trump was president when Epstein was arrested in July 2019: the investigation was run by the Southern District of New York on a local basis without involving DC. They had to work very hard at keeping it hidden entirely until they could make the arrest, and they did.
But you people yelling “No one did anything!” freely ignore all that, and are also very careful not to address the actual report or the evidence in it.
When Biden was president there were still open and active investigations: as a president who kept his oath to the Constitution, it was literally illegal for him to involve himself in them. Trump is NOT a law-abiding president, and he not only shits on his oath, breaking the checks and balances daily, he hired his own personal attorney to be Attorney General of the United States, who still works for the president as a single client.
Stop, and think about that for a second: this present Trump illegality is the exact behavior these people yelling about “nobody does anything!” think Biden should have engaged in. Stop, and consider this. Trump uses the DoJ as his personal lawfare machine and the world screams, but here our esteemed shouty guests are suddenly all for Biden doing exactly that in this thread.
Why?
Because the shouters screaming “Biden did nothing! Dems did nothing!” are only here for the midterms, and it’s self-evident.
But I’m telling you personally, in ANY country, if you want an executive that interferes in the judicial – a balance carefully crafted in the US Constitution by guys who know a fuckton more than internet randos and that is now violated daily by Trump – then you do not want democracy: the stance you advocate is not compatible with a free society, and you’re looking at that play out in reality right now.
So stop with the gaslighting. Outside the corruption of Washington DC, people across the board want the Epstein files to come out, Dem and Republican alike. And the files we do have are a result of bipartisan cooperation to get them out.
No one wants to live in a country where rights only apply to the rich, and the story of Donald Trump’s filthy excesses is exactly that: a tale of how the laws never applied to someone rich enough to slither out of accountability to them.
When you say no one ever did anything, when in fact countless people have been fighting uphill battles for years – as the report demonstrates and even lists – it’s not only a flat out lie, it’s the kind of thing that people say when they don’t really want anything to change.
Happens every election around here. For anyone else, if you’re genuinely interested in who has been doing what, read the report.
That, and there is credible evidence that Vladimir Putin has a thing for little boys. That’s what got Litvinenko killed. Let’s all talk about that too, as long as we’re talking about billionaire pedos and those who will not stop them, because that sick motherfucker is at the very top of the depraved list.
A lot of good stuff here and I agree wholeheartedly until this.
No one wants to live in a country where rights only apply to the rich, and the story of Donald Trump’s filthy excesses is exactly that: a tale of how the laws never applied to someone rich enough to slither out of accountability to them.
There are plenty of people wealthy, rich, and poor that absolutely worship money. They have no problem that money has created a two-tiered society. This is the way it is supposed to be for them and anything else is going against the natural order. Our whole society is infatuated with wealth and we even have terms like “fuck you money” which is the ultimate in freedom for the US.
Who tf are you even talking to?
Ah, the “both sides are evil” shills have shown up I see.
Shills?
Epstein’s Lolita Express was full of bOtH SiDeS. You’ll never stop hearing that, because it will always be true. Face the facts.
Fine, let’s assume you are correct (and they are equal in number). Who is covering it up right now?
Donald Trumps personal lawyer is in charge now. Don’t you pay attention?
I mean, the dude in charge. There’s no reason to expect the people not in charge to do anything different once they’re in charge, is the point. If you want that not to be the case, you’ll have to do something other than hope.
Because they are?
But genocide!
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And the consequences will be…?
USA! USA!
The consequences for an aqusation? I sure hope we don’t start punishing people for aqusations and this one bkt even made by the victim.
Usually the consequence for an accusation is there is an investigation, preferably a fair and unbiased one
Motherfucker. The devil does not need an advocate.
Children were abused,
The perps get away with it,
Who has the power?
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I wish they wouldn’t wait for the election cycle because the right just thinks it’s a witch hunt.
There is literally no timing, messaging, or amount of evidence that wouldn’t be shot down as a witch hunt.
I’m pretty sure Donald Trump could give an oval office address just openly admitting he raped someone, and the right-wing media machine would instantly be telling people why they shouldn’t be upset about it.
The dems don’t care. They’re just doing this so they get elected. Then if/when they’re elected, it’ll get buried again.
Sure, could be that they do the right thing for the wrong reasons. But it’s still the right thing.
So much this. I hate when people are like “they don’t really believe that” in response to some public statement. The public statement itself is important! Half a politician’s job is public speaking. What they say in public matters just as much as what they do in private, and immediately attacking someone for doing the unobjectionably right thing is self defeating.
These kind of defeatist comments smell like all those Harris will start WW3 astro turf comments from the last election cycle.
"Democrats aren’t doing anything!
Democrats do something.
“They don’t mean it though!”
“The opposing candidate is not perfect/only slightly better, so we may as well wallow in shit up to our noses instead of it being only up to our chest”
No one suggested not voting for them.
In my experience a very large amount of lemmy users support an idea that you should not vote for the democrats because afterwards complatency is too easy while more of Trump may unlock a civil war revolution.
I highly disagree with it and i dont think it will work out that way. I rather fight facist-lite then cant-wait-for-an-excuse-to-bomb-“woke”-cities-facism but i do understand the logic those “users” apply.
The real question is, are those users actually real people voicing their personal opinions or are they trolls/bots. Its not a good sign how increasingly vocal they are right in front of a US election and suddenly silent afterwards. Complacent much?
My suggestion is to vote lesser evil and then the moment they win a No-kings protest, continueing to grill the entire office to make it clear their polical win comes with 0 support from the people.
I’ve literally never seen anyone on the threadiverse suggest that you should not vote for Democrats.
Wait here a second.
There we are, found it.
There are LITERAL accelerationists here that will tell you that voting is bad, because the system needs to get worse, so it can finally collapse. And they are not a small minority, though a minority they remain. They will gladly sacrifice anyone who dies to a fascist regime on their way to accelerate the collapse.
I think you’re mistaken. That post says “vote your ass off”.
I linked to a specific comment by kreskin, read that.
Maybe you are just lucky but most likely its my own fault for enganging to much with these people. They are rarely explicit about it in the first comment.
Well personally I find it disgusting to suggest that we shouldn’t hold “our team” accountable simply because the other team is worse.
I’ve literally never seen anyone on the threadiverse suggest that we shouldn’t hold them accountable, or that they are “our team” for that matter.
As i said before. My suggestions is to make it clear that a vote =\= support by large anti fascist protestation the second they get elected.
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Unless you read this thread (or 10,000 others on Lemmy) where that sentiment is not unpopular
I think people are just sick of Coting for the same thing just different shades. I mean have the demoxrates stood up to trump no they’ve rolled over many times the past two years. I do not expect them to do any better I’d they win the senate. I hope I’m wrong but we well see.
There’s a concerted effort on lemmy to discourage votes for democrats. I think it’s obvious why that is.
Next time if you want to be taken seriously, acknowledge this well known fact, also take a moment to proofread…
So far as I can tell, the only meaningful push to hold any Epstein pedophile accountable has come from the Dems, with the one Republican who pushed for it being ousted by the GOP and Israel.
I wouldn’t immediately jump to doomerism conclusions when so far all the evidence is pointing you in the other direction. Just get off your ass and go vote for the Dems.
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Also the instance I haven’t seen it before and there was a cm0002 account with that instance that appeared to have no bio?
Maybe but do you think a rapist is a good leader?
If they try to bury it they’re going to meet the same fate. And Dem voters will be far less forgiving.
possibly but better not to have a rapist as President though
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That’s probably what they hope to do, but as Trump and co. have shown, you can’t quite put that genie back in the bottle that easily. They’ll definitely be looking for an opportunity to sweep it under the rug though.
Can we start narrowing it down to people whom Trump hasn’t molested? Is that a shorter list yet?
