I had been a Democrat since I turned 18.
Last month i registered as an independent.
There’s no point being registered with the party if they aren’t going to hold primaries.
Even if they do decide to do another primary next time i don’t think I’ll change back at this point.
They’ve lost me
Kind of hilarious that she left the party because they convinced Biden to not run. That was the one fucking thing Democrats did right. It just took them a long time to get past his hubris.
If only they did it back in January 2024.
Or January 2020
Oh yeah totally. You can tell they were right to do that on account of how they went on to win the next election.
The right time to do what they did with Harris was the day after she was sworn in, not a couple of months before the election.
That plus a federal prosecutor who declined to do his job damned our country, and here we are.
The timing sucked, you’re right about that. But they weren’t wrong to pressure Biden to not run again. Biden had zero business running again. The man was 81 years old, and very much in cognitive decline. The only reason he got as far as he did in the process was because of wishful thinking on everybody’s part. At that point, it was a bit of a Sophie’s choice; they could either throw their weight behind him, hoping beyond hope that he could just nudge that campaign over the finish line, or they could convince him to step aside in favor of someone eminently better fit for it, which meant throwing away the results of the primary.
Convincing him to step down was the right choice. I don’t know if you’re just misremembering things or what, but the polling was not good for Biden around that point. Trump looked like a shoe-in. While he wasn’t guaranteed to lose, he definitely had a worse chance of winning than Harris did. Here’s the national polling chart from that time; Biden dropped out July 21st. Do you see how the blue line went up and the red line went down after that?
Trump won, and that really fucking sucks. But saying that the Democrats fucked up and that Biden would have won is just pure fantasy. I get it; I don’t want this piece of shit to be president either, and it makes me furious every day that he is. In situations like this, it’s natural to want to throw some blame around. But blaming the Democrats for making the right choice just ain’t it.
The man has stage 4 cancer, regardless of the election outcome it was the right thing for Biden to step down.
His running shows a massive error in judgement.
I think we should start an “Independent” party, giving it an identity and allowing people to have a sense of belonging instead of separation.
Lol
Ok.
Have fun being irrelevant and having zero chance of changing anything.
Independents aren’t going to matter until they get their shit together and start winning local/state elections so they can get some kind of presence in Congress.
I’m going to go ahead and assume she’s going to do jack shit in regards to helping make that happen.
As opposed to being in the Democratic Party and being irrelevant and having zero chance of changing anything because it’s full of stodgy old liberals who would step over their dead mother to keep progressives out.
Also, independents don’t matter but Bernie has a higher approval rating than any Democrat.
Well i am not voting for democratic nominees unless they had prioritized progressive policies in the past, so she will be in good company.
Are you taking about the primary or the general here?
I mean we have talked about this before. But for everyone else in the class i am talking about everything. Remember i was the guy you argued with about forcing progressive policy with conditional voting. You don’t get that by voting blue no matter who.
Got it so you’re part of the problem.
Primary is for change and general is for picking the better of the two choices.
I mean. I see You as part of the problem. You have no answer to the rightward ratchet. And so i can only conclude that democrats rightward drift is not a bug to you it’s a feature and if that’s the case, i don’t rate your opinion very highly
The rightward ratchet is just another cliché designed to fit nicely into your biases and end all thought after that.
I mean, you can admit that you don’t align with progressive policy and are a ‘the market will provide’ liberal. And i would just have to accept that.
But for some bizarre reason you just outright deny the rightward drift is even happening. Which was the incorrect play here. You can argue policy, you can’t argue facts.
Eh, she is selling a book. She can get up and stand up to what is happening or stay a whining child.
C’mon baby…make that post-Biden money before you are forgotten. America! Fuck yeah!
It sounds like she’s upset how the Democratic Party treated Biden and I don’t blame her.
I agree, they never should have let a sunsetting cancer patient delude himself into thinking he should go for a second term, and in fact both his and Feinstein’s handlers belong in prison for elder abuse.
Biden did as well as could be expected from a liberal but I didn’t expect much. He got handed all the tools he needed by the Supreme Court and high roaded this nation into fascism for nothing.
The description of Jean-Pierre’s book jabs at the party’s decisions during the summer of 2024, including “the betrayal by the Democratic Party that led to” Biden’s decision to drop out of the presidential race.
He probably could have won the second term though.
Horseshit. He was done after the debate. Whatever they put up Trump’s nose to make him seem somewhat coherent for an hour was enough.
He was at a campaign fundraiser, and failed to recognise a close friend of 15 years. Didn’t remember his name or that they were acquainted. That friend was George Clooney. That man had no business being in public office. Hell, he shouldn’t have been outside his home without adult supervision.
While we’re doing who shouldn’t be president, Trump once mistook a picture of one of his rape victims as one of his ex wives (after, of course, insisting the rape victim “wasn’t his type”)
Nice whatabout
Conveniently, one of his ex wives is also one of his rape victims. As was recorded in court documents.
Yup. In general, Americans seem to be the last people who should be choosing their presidents. Woofers every time.
The founding fathers warned about this….
Funny you should mention it, because we’re not the ones choosing them.
I think George Clooney would do well in public office but I don’t think he’s interested.
Only people who don’t want the job should be in public office.
sigh
Yeah sure why not.
Eh. Fuck it. Let’s just elect Bill Burr. Ukraine’s comedian-turned-president is having a frankly outstanding performance, despite being thrust into quite harrowing circumstances. Also - and I do genuinely mean this - considering where we are now, what’s the worst that could happen?
How about president TayTay?
She could do a campaign tour to all the major cities!
Straight up not true.
Biden’s white and male so he would have gotten enough votes to get him over the line.
Incorrect, you assume he would have the same votes as Harris AND the misogynist and racist democrats, i doubt you could count on that even if it were true. But we don’t have to wonder because it was far far worse off for him, besides you are forgetting the ageist democrats too!
More people voted for Biden than any other candidate in US history so he was able to lose a couple.
Oh and i can see that the polls also showed him as a complete failure at that time as well? Let’s see… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election
Hahahaha no, like holy shit no. Seems like the polls were right. And so your conclusion is incorrect by all accounts.
Bro he was less popular than the lady that lost and cancer is eating his balls, let it go. If he’d won the debate, maybe, but instead he looked like a dying grandpa (because he literally is) that cared more about golf scores than America or not enabling genocide.
It’s funny how Trump says a conspiracy theory and a week later people who call themselves the left are repeating it as gospel.
So you think his incoherent rambling was just senility then? There isn’t a win here to be found my guy. He was sick or senile, either way he was unpopular, unethical, and no longer fit.
Read a transcript of the debate and its clear he isnt “senile”. Hes old as fuck and took a while to make his point. Like any 75+ year old person naturally does. Virtually every point he made was perfectly cogent, especially by comparison to the rambling delusions of Mango Unchained
He also has a speech impediment that allowed him down. Supposedly he had a cold too, but that one felt dubious
Remember when he invited Zelensky to the White House and introduced him at the press conference as “Vladimir Putin”? What a fucking liability.
Or when he closed his last State of the Union with an explicit threat to attack Russia, a fellow nuclear armed state, just off the cuff. At least when Trump does it no-one gives it serious credibility.
Why are you repeating Trump’s talking points though?
Why are you inhaling oxygen and exhaling carbon dioxide DONT YOU KNOW TRUMP DOES THAT???
Biden was senilee during the 2020 primaries as well.
Trump can’t pronounce unethical without bursting into flames.
There was no way. Not a chance. Have you forgotten how deeply unpopular he was during the campaign, especially after his debate?
Ugh… More of the “independent” bullshit.
Wait, can you genuinely explain your comment? I mean in a meaningful nuanced way?
Sure.
It’s a political bullshit cop out by politicians and honestly the general population too, often to sell something, like a freaking book.
Also,
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/
Another gripe is the whole “Independents” are not Independent with the American population, just a whole lot of cowards who don’t want to commit to making things better.
Just my two cents on the whole Independent labeling.
Within the two-party system, independents are often progressive and therefore syphon votes away from the Democratic Party, leading to elections won by republicans.
Often, independent candidates are even bankrolled by conservative PACS, for this specific reason.
If the US had a ranked-choice voting system, it wouldn’t be a problem.
99% of the time, running as an independent, is detrimental to progress, and instrumental to regression.
I tried to explain, as you asked, in a nuanced, meaningful way.
Independent progressives don’t run for office. They vote blue no matter who just like they’re berated to do by literally everyone.
Maybe she’s just sick of being stuck in a party that she doesn’t fit in and recognizes she doesn’t have the power to change it, even at her lofty level.
Independent doesnt have that much influence. This country is purely Dems vs Rep.
That and fucking RFK Jr ran as an “Independent” during 2024 election. Had us all fooled thinking he might top Trump with all those ads and speeches. Well shit…
Surely the alternative party won’t treat her worse once they’re done with her
You might be shocked, but you don’t have to be in either party.
I have to be a Democrat to vote in the primaries in my state.
I should sue for mental anguish.
