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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/46890078
cross-posted from: https://rss.ponder.cat/post/216477
ICE said the Canadian was found unresponsive Monday at the Federal Detention Center in Miami and was attended to by medical staff, but was pronounced dead the same day.
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Again, the same passive voice. The word they should use is Killed.
That’s archetypal passive voice since it doesn’t change the target of the verb and uses state-of-being plus past participle.
“ICE kills Canadian citizen” switches this around.
“At no time during detention is a detained illegal alien denied emergent care.”
I guess that doesn’t go for legal residents, like this guy was.
For them, immigrants aren’t humans and do not deserve humane treatment. Who tf calls a human being an “alien”??
The first definition of alien is “foreign”, not “extraterrestrial”.
If Iran was holding a US citizen against their will and let them die in custody, we would drop a nuke on them.
I hope Canada takes the opportunity to punish us hard for this shit.
Unless they are a Democrat
I dunno about a nuke. Maybe a stern glance in the direction of Iran. I know it’s not quite the same since Saudi Arabia is our frienemy after 9/11, but this US administration’s support is probably more based on skin color than anything.
A tactical nuke on a certain house with white paint? You know the one 😏
Iran has not confirmed that they have him in detention and this was a spy. They literally caught a US spy. Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?
This is quite literally not the same thing. The US has accidentally killed a Canadian tourist. If a part of Iran’s government killed a US citizen we’d use that to launch War today.
of course the lemmy.ml account believes everything the authoritarian theocracy says.
It’s not the same thing, but he was a permanent resident for over thirty years
~~That’s an interesting part of the story but in this case this Canadian tourist hadn’t live in the country at all. I feel like the speed at which he entered the US and then died indicates a problem with us custody and handling.
Like I feel like it’s more egregious if you lived in the country for 30 years and then you know were prosecuted as a spy but to just die from being detained is total bullshit~~
Misread something not valid.
What case are you talking about? The article in this post is about a Canadian permanent resident of the US.
Sorry I read something else and got confused I’ll go correct the information later.
Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?
Yes, we put them in prison.
If it’s a spy for Russia, we put him in the White House
Damn that’s a wild looking prison
You seem to have not kept up with events since the 1950s. Your commentary would probably have been a bit more relevant if you had.
tankiesezwhat?
Oh look who learned a new word
You’re just so formulaic
Someone’s never heard of Gitmo Bay 🤣
Which spies are in Gitmo?
Ahmed al Halabi
This guy was actually acquitted of the charges but was still horribly abused inside the prison: Captain James Yee
Mohammed Hashim
Omar Ahmed Khadr
I mean these are just a few. This wasn’t even hard to look up. Did you not expect that there would be actual spies in one of the US terrorist torture camps?
zero for four, what else ya got?
Ahmed al Halabi
Accused of spying on gitmo. Was imprisoned in Florida, IIRC
Captain James Yee
Also accused of spying on gitmo. Imprisoned in South Carolina for a time.
Mohammed Hashim
Charged, imprisoned, and released within a year.
Omar Ahmed Khadr
not spy. Either terrorist or irregular fighter, take your pick.
I get it dude, but the US citizen in Iran was a CIA agent fucking with the country.
I wasn’t really making any kind of judgement about it. I just read your comment and thought “I’m pretty sure that’s already happened” so I looked it up.
It sorta depends on what kind of US citizen they are. As one example, US-Israeli citizens are precious innocents who must be protected at all costs, but US-Palestinian citizens are fine as collateral.
No way, we haven’t given much of a fuck about this sort of thing for decades now
Well, yeah but he probably just got here…
Checks notes
ICE noted Noviello had been a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. since 1991, after entering the country through legal visa status in 1988. However, it also said he was facing removal for being convicted of drug charges “as a non-immigrant overstay.”
37 years ago
Yeah, at that point, he was more American than Canadian. The US government should have to explain either why he wasn’t granted citizenship or else why he wasn’t deported. Keeping people in citizenship limbo is just diet slavery, a disposable workforce. I get that’s probably the whole point and has been for a while, but I also think it’s good to call it out until enough people care to make a change.
The US government should have to explain either why he wasn’t granted citizenship
FYI, Citizenship is not automatic. I think the reason why Citizenship isn’t automatic is because of the oath of allegiance. Its symbolic, but many countries take these procedures very seriously for some reason. I think it’s that, from the PoV of Governments (not just the US Government), and I’m not saying that I agree with this view, but Governments think that “If you really wanted to stay, you would’ve applied for citizenship as early as possible”. They (Governments around the world) want you to affirmatively choose to become a citizen, not just passively gain citizenship by waiting out a timer.
He should’ve applied for citizenship the moment the 5-year timer came up. Actualy its 4 years and 6 months and you could pre-emptively file and they’ll immediately process it at the 5 year mark. Not filing for citizenship is a very bad idea, no matter which country you are in the world. He was in the US for so long, he should’ve applied. (But then again, even with Citizenship, its still not exactly safe either with the all the autocratization going on)
I think that there should be a law that make it so that once someone becomes eligible for citizenship, they should be in a sepatate category of permanent residents, a sort of protected status against deportation for like basically anything except for serious offenses like mass murders or like a Jan 6 Insurrection type of thing.
37 Canadian Years or US Years?
Ironically enough he was arrested in Florida which is far enough away there’s likely a real difference over that long of time.
Like “real” as in there is a difference. Not that it is in anyway significant.
I googled and apparently in the ~14 billion years we think the universe has existed, the north pole has experienced about four more days of time than the equator.
So like 37 American years or 37.000000000000000000000001 Canadian years.
I’m assuming American.
I really wasn’t expecting real answer but this is probably the most perfect response I’ve ever seen
Eh, that’s over the estimated life of the universe.
Our solar system is likely a third that age.
It was just the first example I got when googling it, and I didn’t want to break it down and convert it to make it more accurate.
Even then, pole reversal are common (speaking of, were like 100k years overdue and inexplicable shit is going on under the antarctic right now…) so even over the life of the Earth you’d have to keep teleporting to each new North Pole.
But it’s a good example of relativity.
Well, given the dwindling life expectancy of Americans, 37 Canadian years is probably somewhere over 40 American.
37 American years or ~50 Canadian plus HST
Canada now gets to pick one of ours. Fair is fair.
Any one. Anyone at all. Just pick >_>
Are politicians on the menu?
That’s a difficult choice. So many good candidates. But we’re still nicer than that, for now.
Only one?
/joke
wonder how next snowbird migration is going to play out
My parents used to go down to Arizona. They sold their trailer back in 2018 (so just before Covid which was very lucky). They’ve done the odd trip down to the US (they sold because they wanted to go to different places) but plan to go out to Vancouver Island and other places more often now.
Family friends with a house in Palm Desert sold their place after Trump joked about Canada being the 51st state and plan to never go back down again. At least for as long as he is president.
It’s already not good this year. My dad owns a condo in Florida and said a lot of the Canadians sold their condos in his complex. They just didn’t want to deal with the extra immigration paperwork this administration added.
Well, that and the gulags
But especially the paperwork in the gulags.
This comment pisses me off so much.
Are you serious? Paperwork? That’s what your dad thinks Canadians are concerned about?
They have a second condo in Florida they’re well off and mostly-white
They have that “won’t happen to me” attitude.
Hmm, they sound nice.
Probably since I’m assuming most of them are white.
Old white people basically never think they’re going to be the target for government discrimination.
Yes, because that’s what they have said they are concerned about. Why doubt what they say?
BeCaUSE ThaTs wHat ThEy SaId.
I’m sorry, but it’s really this kind of willful ignorance that keeps me boycotting the US. You think maybe it’s the shit for brains president not only starting a worldwide trade war including its allies and even threatening to annex us? Or the fact that half of you support the rapist? Or the fact that we have to risk being sent to El Salvadore for whatever arbitrary ewason?
Please, think a little for God’s sake. Do we really need to spell everything out???
I believe that many people think that. I also believe those are the reasons I would avoid the US. But, these people said they didn’t want to deal with the hassle and I have no reason to doubt them. If they were afraid of being deported, they could have said that. These people are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves, I don’t need to put words in their mouth.
Cool, we’re starting to murder our neighbors. How great for us. Super swell.
ooooooh, careful guys. that border has lawyers. you were only supposed to cause wrongful deaths on the other one
I would say don’t visit the USA, but he was a citizen. Crazy.
Not a citizen, but he should have been. If a legal resident has been in the US for ten years, the government should either have to grant them citizenship or explain why they don’t qualify and deport them. This guy was selling drugs, yeah, but he was also probably paying taxes. That’s the whole point of the system as it is, exploiting immigrants for illegal labor and then blaming them when they get caught. This guy should have gotten a trial, probably some prison time, and enough rehabilitation to reenter free society.
Reading the article became a permanent citizen way back when I believe that means he file it all the correct paperwork
Permanent resident, not a citizen. He wasn’t eligible to vote, do jury duty,
or be drafted, but after all that time, those are basically the only differences.Btw, Permanent Residents can be drafted, FYI.
Male Green card holders have to register for the Selective Service at age 18, or immediately upon entering if already 18, unless they arrive after their 27th birthday
They love to give you responsibilities, but not the rights
Oh that’s some bullshit. I honestly just assumed that wasn’t a thing because obviously that’s not a reasonable thing to expect from residents.
Edit: the tiniest reassurance: it doesn’t apply to student visas
Follow the money. I guarantee a private company was involved and they probably do some kind of business in Canada. Make sure they’re completely booted from the Canadian market.
Make sure to sanction their employees and their employees families too.
