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    3 days ago

    This is exactly the dynamic the article was describing: concerns about power concentration get answered with lists of theoretical protocol features instead of engaging with how the network actually operates. Listing technical escape hatches doesn’t address who controls the dominant infrastructure in practice.

    The overwhelming majority of users rely on hosted PDSes, the main relay, and the default appview. Whoever controls those layers controls visibility, discovery, moderation signals, and reach. That’s where practical power sits. Doesn’t matter whether migration is technically possible under ideal conditions because if you’ll need it they won’t be ideal.

    Acquisitions and policy changes can happen quickly. Tools that exist “yesterday” are irrelevant if users don’t act before control consolidates, and history shows that most don’t. Claiming decentralization can wait until the last possible moment ignores how network effects and defaults entrench power long before any formal lock-in occurs.

    It’s also worth noting that the original article isn’t even arguing “the fediverse is better,” yet the response immediately reframes the debate as a comparison. Even if we entertain that framing, the situations aren’t symmetrical. Yes, a fediverse instance can block migrations or misbehave but no single party in the fediverse comes close to the infrastructural dominance Bluesky Corp currently holds across relays, appviews, and user gravity. An individual Mastodon instance misbehaving affects its users. Bluesky Corp fully controls the experience of over 99% of the users on the protocol and so holds the power to shape the experience of the entire network.

    The issue isn’t whether both systems have theoretical weaknesses. It’s where systemic leverage concentrates in practice. And ATProto’s architecture, particularly the cost and complexity of running the more demanding components that need to have a global view of the network, structurally favors concentration at those layers.

    • irelephant [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      answered with lists of theoretical protocol features instead of engaging with how the network actually operates

      I’m not just listing theoretical features, these are things that happen in the network right now. Is there anything I mentioned in my comment that I forgot to give an example for?

      Doesn’t matter whether migration is technically possible under ideal conditions because if you’ll need it they won’t be ideal.

      I don’t see why so many people say migration is only “technically” possible, migration can be done today. If there is more demand for third party servers, say, if Bluesky starts fucking up with moderation more, more third party servers will pop up, because right now the user concentration isn’t a technical problem or fault of the protocol. I don’t disagree that it’s a problem.

      And ATProto’s architecture, particularly the cost and complexity of running the more demanding components that need to have a global view of the network, structurally favors concentration at those layers.

      It’s not necessary to have a global view of the network to participate in the network.
      It is possible to have a global view of the network without a relay using constellation, constellation instances are very cheap to run, and work by indexing backlinks. It’s what powers reddwarf and recently wafrn (wafrn optionally supports relays as well).

      Atproto isn’t significantly more complicated than AP, it’s just different.

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        The features are theoretical in the sense that there is no real guarantee they’d be possible after BSky corp changes their behavior and that they are in use only in the least significant way possible, for tiny and irrelevant numbers of users. But of course this is just restating the obvious again. For a network truly to be shielded against this sort of thing it should be decentralized already before.

        See this for how constellation makes no difference.