• freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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    This is delusional. It’s not a personal vendetta against the USA. Nuclear Europe fielding military in Ukraine is a red line for Russian national security. Until people understand the reality of security, you’re all going to be blathering idiots.

    There are two positions on security - it’s either I am secure while you are not or it’s we’re both secure. Mutual security is the only way that peers can engage sustainably. Assymetrical security cannot be sustained by peers.

    Ukraine being a non-militarized buffer between Europe and Russia is critical to Russian national security. Any arrangement where Ukraine is militarily aligned with the rest of Europe is an asymetrical security situation where Europe has security at the expense of Russia losing security.

    It will never be sustainable.

    Russia will either establish Ukraine as fully demilitarized with its constant oversight for the next several decades, as a result of the violation of trust that the US and EU committed, or Russia will occupy Ukraine. These are the only two options that establish mutual security and thus are the only sustainable options. Anything else is an escalation by Europe.

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      23 hours ago

      Ukraine has to be assured that it would be protected if Russia attacks again. Another option would be for the UN to be obligated to protect Ukraine if Russia attacks again.

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        23 hours ago

        Still delusional. Russia has no interest in attacking Ukraine. Learn the history. Every single Russian intervention into Ukraine has been in response to Western meddling.

        You want the Ukrainian people to be safe, get the West the fuck out of it

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          17 hours ago

          I already said that another option would be for the UN to be obligated to protect Ukraine if Russia attacks again. It would then be unnecessary for Ukraine to be in any alliance.

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            The UN doesn’t have sufficient military to do such a thing. They would need make an alliance to be strong enough against Russia, or it would have to the be the US. This is what we have now, it’s called NATO, and the point is that NATO advanced on Russia. So sure, you can say the UN will enlist all the NATO countries to fight Russia, but only in defense, and no one in Europe would agree to that.