Iceland has this guy running free https://lemmy.world/post/35387057 and they are super racist. And they are probably investing money in Israel if I look it up.
Other countries are trading with israel too, russia, China and many more, they are all complicit in aiding the israel war machine, so is it still “nato”?
Why cant you admit that nato is responsible and should be held responsible the same way as any other entity that did not discontinue weapons transfers to israel after the siege began?
Oh its american mic weapons? Okay, nato is an american defense pact.
Why are you trying to dismiss culpability as if European nations dont actively support and enable the genocide in the exact same material capacity as america? Take your lumps.
It literally isn’t “monumental cope” Israel imports more from China than any other country, helping to fund what they do.
I can’t admit nato is responsible because it’s not, nato is a defensive pact, the countries that are part of nato are the problem, not the organization, it is also not “an American defense pact”, there are many countries involved.
I literally said some European countries are responsible? But if you want to go to “NATO” being responsible it’s clearly china’s fault, because they allow the Israeli capitalism to flourish, allowing Aipac to bribe the Americans (see how fucking stupid that sounds?)
NATO is not a defensive pact regardless of how much marketing campaigns (read: Western propaganda) is churned out. Look up what they did in Yugoslavia and Libya for good examples of their “defensiveness”.
Every single NATO country materially supports the settler-colony, regardless if they advertise it to be their genocide or not, no amount of “But china but russia but…” will change that. “Israel” is not a distinct state but an amalgamation of European (and more recently US and commonwealthian, whom hail from settler-colonies) settler-colonialist Zionazis occupying Palestine. Get that through your head.
No it only sounds stupid when you say that china allows Israeli capitalism to thrive.
Getting hung up on the descriptor of nato countries being responsible for arming and funding the genocide is a deliberate obfuscation and refusal to acknowledge that these countries coordinate their military intelligence/technology and are connected through nato. Nato isnt like the UN where it’s some separate body from the member states, the member states ARE nato.
i/e nato is responsible for supplying israel with weapons = america, France, germany, Britain, turkey, etc are supplying israel with weapons.
If russia, brazil, china, and iran were funding Israeli genocide we would be saying “brics is funding genocide in gaza” and you would unironically accept that framing even though brics is itself an economic pact whereas nato is explicitly a military defense pact. It is a descriptor, used because spelling out all 32 nato nations who are complicit is a waste of time when you can just say “nato is responsible for these weapons being used against palestinians” and it conveys the exact same meaning to anyone who isnt a pedant.
Fucking George Orwell. Good thing that Trump will abolish doublespeak and call the “Defence” department their real name. Hope he change the NATO pact too.
In both, the Gaza genocide and in the West Bank. These suice bombs aren’t nato funded, just because the countries they originate from are some of natos members doesn’t mean it’s nato. Yes, the US Canada, England are funding the genocide, and providing equipment sure, but it’s not NATO, Israel get funds it army through trade with hundreds of nations.
NATO countries with “military export bans” are sending F35 parts and other weapons including interceptors to Israel through the NATO logistics program.
They are using NATO ports and NATO logistics to send their NATO weapons. And purchasing Israeli designed weapons for their own NATO military after Israel is done testing them on Palestinians in Gaza.
There is one overarching factor making this genocide possible: NATO.
That’s incredibly fucked up, but why NATO? Nato isn’t doing this
NATO vehicles. NATO bombs. NATO countries NATO supply chain. NATO funding.
“NATO isn’t doing this”
“Hell nah bro, it’s all a coincidence, they’re not doing it on purpose! We are the good guys, remember?”
Is Turkey supporting the genocide? Iceland?
Yes.
Turkey provides Israel with 30% of their gas.
Iceland has this guy running free https://lemmy.world/post/35387057 and they are super racist. And they are probably investing money in Israel if I look it up.
You buy a gun from a store and ammo and then you kill someone, the arms company is responsable for your actions?
Also dont mix up Amerikas actions with all of NATO
Yes the arms company is responsible for selling you a gun when you are literally Adolf Hitler in the middle of the Holocaust.
Also America and Europe are paying for the weapons.
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Which company is giving knifes to serial killers?
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Other countries are trading with israel too, russia, China and many more, they are all complicit in aiding the israel war machine, so is it still “nato”?
Whatabout russia and china is monumental cope
Why cant you admit that nato is responsible and should be held responsible the same way as any other entity that did not discontinue weapons transfers to israel after the siege began?
Oh its american mic weapons? Okay, nato is an american defense pact.
Why are you trying to dismiss culpability as if European nations dont actively support and enable the genocide in the exact same material capacity as america? Take your lumps.
It literally isn’t “monumental cope” Israel imports more from China than any other country, helping to fund what they do.
I can’t admit nato is responsible because it’s not, nato is a defensive pact, the countries that are part of nato are the problem, not the organization, it is also not “an American defense pact”, there are many countries involved.
I literally said some European countries are responsible? But if you want to go to “NATO” being responsible it’s clearly china’s fault, because they allow the Israeli capitalism to flourish, allowing Aipac to bribe the Americans (see how fucking stupid that sounds?)
NATO is not a defensive pact regardless of how much marketing campaigns (read: Western propaganda) is churned out. Look up what they did in Yugoslavia and Libya for good examples of their “defensiveness”.
Every single NATO country materially supports the settler-colony, regardless if they advertise it to be their genocide or not, no amount of “But china but russia but…” will change that. “Israel” is not a distinct state but an amalgamation of European (and more recently US and commonwealthian, whom hail from settler-colonies) settler-colonialist Zionazis occupying Palestine. Get that through your head.
Sounds like your just regurgitating anti nato propaganda.
Those articles are clearly written in such a way their bias doesn’t show (that was sarcasm btw).
No it only sounds stupid when you say that china allows Israeli capitalism to thrive.
Getting hung up on the descriptor of nato countries being responsible for arming and funding the genocide is a deliberate obfuscation and refusal to acknowledge that these countries coordinate their military intelligence/technology and are connected through nato. Nato isnt like the UN where it’s some separate body from the member states, the member states ARE nato.
i/e nato is responsible for supplying israel with weapons = america, France, germany, Britain, turkey, etc are supplying israel with weapons.
If russia, brazil, china, and iran were funding Israeli genocide we would be saying “brics is funding genocide in gaza” and you would unironically accept that framing even though brics is itself an economic pact whereas nato is explicitly a military defense pact. It is a descriptor, used because spelling out all 32 nato nations who are complicit is a waste of time when you can just say “nato is responsible for these weapons being used against palestinians” and it conveys the exact same meaning to anyone who isnt a pedant.
If you feel happy to say it’s NATO then fine, I’m not wasting time anymore arguing with you. It’s not NATO no matter how much you wish for it to be
Fucking George Orwell. Good thing that Trump will abolish doublespeak and call the “Defence” department their real name. Hope he change the NATO pact too.
The gop are all about double speak lol
In the Gaza genocide no. In the West Bank yes.
You seem to avoid the point that these vehicle suicide bombs are 100% NATO funded and supplied.
In both, the Gaza genocide and in the West Bank. These suice bombs aren’t nato funded, just because the countries they originate from are some of natos members doesn’t mean it’s nato. Yes, the US Canada, England are funding the genocide, and providing equipment sure, but it’s not NATO, Israel get funds it army through trade with hundreds of nations.
NATO countries with “military export bans” are sending F35 parts and other weapons including interceptors to Israel through the NATO logistics program.
They are using NATO ports and NATO logistics to send their NATO weapons. And purchasing Israeli designed weapons for their own NATO military after Israel is done testing them on Palestinians in Gaza.
There is one overarching factor making this genocide possible: NATO.
They are “nato” just because the countries are part of nato, not the other way around.