• T00l_shed@lemmy.world
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    It literally isn’t “monumental cope” Israel imports more from China than any other country, helping to fund what they do.

    I can’t admit nato is responsible because it’s not, nato is a defensive pact, the countries that are part of nato are the problem, not the organization, it is also not “an American defense pact”, there are many countries involved.

    I literally said some European countries are responsible? But if you want to go to “NATO” being responsible it’s clearly china’s fault, because they allow the Israeli capitalism to flourish, allowing Aipac to bribe the Americans (see how fucking stupid that sounds?)

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      NATO is not a defensive pact regardless of how much marketing campaigns (read: Western propaganda) is churned out. Look up what they did in Yugoslavia and Libya for good examples of their “defensiveness”.

      Every single NATO country materially supports the settler-colony, regardless if they advertise it to be their genocide or not, no amount of “But china but russia but…” will change that. “Israel” is not a distinct state but an amalgamation of European (and more recently US and commonwealthian, whom hail from settler-colonies) settler-colonialist Zionazis occupying Palestine. Get that through your head.

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            Oh? Because I called them a defensive pact? If that’s all you have to your point then it’s rather dull.

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            Right, cause if if was offensive it would be invading other countries to steal their territory right? Funny that’s what russia claims NATO does, but they are doing it themselves.

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              The NATO bombings of Libya & Yugoslavia have nothing to do with Russia.

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                Right, and they invaded and took over those countries right? Cause that’s what an offensive group would do

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                  Cause bombing civilians is what a defensive group would do. The NATO bombings of Libya & Yugoslavia still have nothing to do with Russia.

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                    *Cause bombing civilians is defensive group would do

                    Bombing civilians is bad, but they weren’t just bombing civilians, they were preventing ethnic cleansing.

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          Hell yeah I am!!! Anyways, what part of the “propaganda” is factually incorrect?

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        Those articles are clearly written in such a way their bias doesn’t show (that was sarcasm btw).

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          These articles that disagree with me are clearly biased… against me.

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            Cool, keep making stuff up. If facts were important to you you’d know that it’s not biased against me, just the authors are clearly biased lol

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              I’m not sure you even know what “bias” means, nor do you understand that there’s no such thing as an “unbaised” author.

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      No it only sounds stupid when you say that china allows Israeli capitalism to thrive.

      Getting hung up on the descriptor of nato countries being responsible for arming and funding the genocide is a deliberate obfuscation and refusal to acknowledge that these countries coordinate their military intelligence/technology and are connected through nato. Nato isnt like the UN where it’s some separate body from the member states, the member states ARE nato.

      i/e nato is responsible for supplying israel with weapons = america, France, germany, Britain, turkey, etc are supplying israel with weapons.

      If russia, brazil, china, and iran were funding Israeli genocide we would be saying “brics is funding genocide in gaza” and you would unironically accept that framing even though brics is itself an economic pact whereas nato is explicitly a military defense pact. It is a descriptor, used because spelling out all 32 nato nations who are complicit is a waste of time when you can just say “nato is responsible for these weapons being used against palestinians” and it conveys the exact same meaning to anyone who isnt a pedant.

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      Fucking George Orwell. Good thing that Trump will abolish doublespeak and call the “Defence” department their real name. Hope he change the NATO pact too.