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    Nevertheless, if you actually want to achieve these countries putting Israel under effective pressure, you’d have to acknowledge and address these threats.

    Then why didn’t Western countries pressure Israel to stick to the ceasefire it had signed with Hamas in January? That should’ve been enough for them if they wanted peace.

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      There is a lot Israel is responsible for in this conflict and has to take care of. Ending the threat to annihilate Israel isn’t one of them. That’s a task for the side actually striving for it.

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        Ending the threat to annihilate Israel isn’t one of them.

        Fine, so Hamas did that by signing a permanent ceasefire with Israel. What now?

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              I don’t think that at least the core supporters of Israel will realistically stop supporting it as long as there is parties in the region openly aiming to destroy Israel.

              So instead, as Palestinians, I’d secure my own support from these countries. The main cause of the Palestinian people, living peacefully in their own country, is absolutely non-controversial. It is only when this ‘defensive’ desire is turned into an ‘aggressive’ one by e.g. Hamas by including the entirety of Israel in this own country that support is dwindling.

              I hope that Palestinians free themselves of those like Hamas who poison the rightful and appropriate cause for a Palestinian state, even if it is Netanyahus Israel that currently is in the wrong and it is so easy for me to say it. But I’m certain this isn’t about being right but about achieving something that is so long overdue.

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                I don’t think that at least the core supporters of Israel will realistically stop supporting it as long as there is parties in the region openly aiming to destroy Israel.

                So never, because Israel will always be able to use one group or another as a “threat” to its security. After Hamas it’ll be Hezbollah, after Hezbollah it’ll be the Syrian government, and so on. Therefore waiting for Western governments to find a “solution” that fots their sensibilities is a waste of time, and we’re back where we started: fighting Zionism tooth and nail whenever and wherever we see it.

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                  Israel will always be able to use one group or another as a “threat” to its security.

                  Only that they aren’t imagining it but there really are enough groups poised to destroy it. Maybe also think about that for a moment, as I cannot come up with a lot of other countries that share this fate. Take Russia for example: I utterly despise what they do in Ukraine and I would rather have Putin gone today than tomorrow - still I don’t want to annihilate Russia as a whole and can accept its existence. Somehow this doesn’t apply to Israel?

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                    Only that they aren’t imagining it but there really are enough groups poised to destroy it.

                    Okay I’m not getting sucked down this hole again. My question is: How long do Palestinians need to wait? When will Israel not be able to use its existence as an excuse to kill Palestinians? Do you intend to wait until Israel has killed or expelled them all before you stop carrying water for genocide?