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Feature Notion Joplin Obsidian Evernote Zoho Notebook GoodNotes Zim Wiki Standard Notes MyInfo YouTrack Logseq Cloud Sync Yes Yes Optional (via plugins or sync service) Yes Yes Yes Manual Yes Manual Yes / Self-hosted Optional (self-sync) Offline Support Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes (Web cache) Yes Handwriting Support No Limited No Yes Yes Excellent No No No No No Encryption No Yes (E2EE) No (unless encrypted drive) Partial No No No Yes (E2EE) No Depends on hosting Partial (local) Hierarchy Support Yes Yes Yes (Folders + Backlinks) Yes Partial Yes Yes No Yes Yes (Wiki, Issues, Projects) Yes (Outline + Backlinks) Free Version Yes Yes Yes Limited Yes Limited Yes Limited No Yes (up to 10 users) Yes Platform Support Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web iOS, iPadOS, macOS Win, Linux Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android, Web Windows Web, Win, macOS, Linux Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android E: I noticed a couple mistakes. Lemme know if you spot others and I can edit (at time of this writing anyways)
This is unreadable on mobile in portrait mode
Perfectly readable with the Voyager App.
On Boost, the columns got narrowed to each three characters wide, just to fit all columns on screen width-wise
I personally use Obsidian, but I know that other have suggested logseq. Might be useful to have in your table. Also, Obsidian does have an Android app.
Thanks - good notes
I suggest You track, which has a Wiki component. It had extensions like Draw.IO as well for diagramming which is basically a necessity for me.
Its self hostable or a free cloud version.
Great note - thanks for the contribution.
Excluding Google Keep?
Google
The only list any of their services should be included in is the list of things to avoid.
i don’t understand your comment
Does this explanation by ChatGPT make sense to you?
This comment seems to express a strongly negative opinion about Google. The writer is suggesting that Google’s services should not be included in any positive or useful lists. Instead, they believe that Google and its services should be on a “list of things to avoid,” implying that using Google is something people should avoid for some reason – likely due to concerns about privacy, data collection, or general distrust of the company.
This is not to be confused with the application called “OneNote”, that’s staying.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
TwoNotes
Two apps, OneNote.
Would
Go outside and touch grass, my dude 😂
Not grass, gonna touch thing ass
I got so sick of their shit. I think there were two Teams and Skype versions too. Wtf is their problem?? I just stick with LibreOffice for everything now, but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
Yes, there was Teams (classic) and Teams (new. There’s also Outlook (new) and Outlook (classic).
There was the Snipping Tool and Snip & Sketch, it even said they were getting rid of Shipping Tool, but then they got rid of Snip & Sketch instead but the function of Snipping Tools is the same as Snip & Sketch.
The OneNote Microsoft wanted to discontinue in favor of the Win10 OneNote a few years ago is staying, so they can axe the Win10 OneNote.
From 2018: https://rcpmag.com/articles/2018/04/19/onenote-desktop-app-sunset.aspx
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
And to make bad naming worse naming, since they switched Office’s name to 365 Copilot, not to be confused with 365 (office premium), Copilot (ChatGPT interface), or Copilot (Office text assistant). Office was a perfectly serviceable name they’d used for decades. It’s like Twitter rebranding themselves to a single latter like Y. Why would they throw away branding like that?
People are liable to look for office, not find it, and go "oh, Microsoft doesn’t sell Word any more ☹️’
Their enterprise products as well. Azure is now Entra, all the admin page rebrandings like defender, purview, intune, the URL changes, etc.
Please just stick with a name already!!
Jack made HBO into Max. Lost all that recognition and fan support for what? Like I’m convinced more and more each day that rich people are just plain stupid.
That right there might beat Microsoft and Google name changes combined
Ms flow vs power automate… It’s like they’re not even trying anymore. And that’s pretty much what it is. Monopolies stifle innovation and development.
Yes, that one too! smh
Azure is not Entra. AAD became Entra. They did it because AAD was becoming less about Azure and covering more things than directories. So a rebranding made sense.
It’s a pretty dumb name, though. It doesn’t really mean much when you hear it, and it sounds too similar to other common words.
Hell, just talking about teams in Teams is confusing enough.
Are you talking about Teams in Teams for Home or Teams for Work and School, and is it Teams or New Teams you mean?
I… I didn’t even know there were so many.
Teams (Classic), actually.
Or an Office 365 Group
Not to be confused with SharePoint groups
Fuck sharepoint to hell and back
Which is sometimes called Onenote 2016, bundled with Office. I think. Pretty sure there’s a third version too.
While OneNote for Windows 10 still has roughly half a year, Microsoft will start nagging users with update prompts much earlier. For starters, in June 2025, Microsoft will slow down the app’s sync performance, thus forcing customers to ditch the old app, especially those using OneNote on multiple devices or for real-time collaboration.
Next, in July 2025, banners will make their way to OneNote for Windows 10 to make sure users are aware of the upcoming end of support. Microsoft says these banners “could impact users workflows.” You do not say, Microsoft.
Wait. You’re gonna throttle them and then wait a month to tell them why you’re throttling them? What?
This really pisses me off. I have so much shit in OneNote and use it regularly.
This is a good time to switch to Notesnook, which has a OneNote importer.
Why am I about to shill so hard for this particular app? Simple, because after Evernote enshittified over a decade ago, I switched to OneNote as the least terrible alternative, and then spent the next ten years trying to find an actually good, open source notes app.
Call me Ahab because this motherfucker has been my white whale for a not-insignificant portion of my life.
Notesnook, finally, hit everything I wanted;
- You can self host it (but you don’t have to)
- Self hosters get everything on the paid plan for free
- It has a web app, a desktop app, and a healthy ecosystem of phone apps, with - very importantly - 1:1 feature parity. Everything you want to do you can do from any of the interfaces and for the most part they’re even laid out identically.
- It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
- But for those who care about that stuff, it is built on markdown, and all your notes can be exported in markdown, so there’s no lock in. And you can use markdown in the editor (without even having to switch modes like a lot of other editors).
- Everything is encrypted by default. Notes can also be individually password protected.
- You can share copies of notes with optional password protection and self-destruction.
- It has a really slick UI. Everything works, everything is intuitive, there are tonnes of keyboard shortcuts. I find I actually have an easier time writing long form text content (such as a novella I’m working on) in Notesnook than I did in Word or LibreOffice.
- It builds a TOC for notes automatically. You can link notes to each other, and links are bidirectional so you can track which notes link to a particular note.
- You have sorting by both tags, and notebooks. Notebooks are infinitely nestable, and - this is really cool - notes can exist in multiple notebooks simultaneously.
- It has robust web clipper for Firefox and Chrome.
- Very robust attachment support.
- God so much more, I’m having to deliberately stop here.
What it’s currently lacking is drawing support. If that’s a must have for you, check out Joplin instead (at least for now, I’ve seen some talk about Notesnook integrating Excalibur for digital canvas, which would be a superb solution).
Anyway, please check out Notesnook. It’s excellent, and I like sharing excellent things. https://notesnook.com/downloads/
It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
I’m curious about this agressive stance. Why is markdown so triggering for you ? I get the pros of WYSIWYG but it has also some cons. On Lemmy for instance you use markdown without even noticing ?
I use Obsidian and I’m happy with it. The markdown syntax is really easy and it’s « almost » WYSIWYG because you see the markdown only at your cursor. It even has a plugin for excalidraw.
I am trying it out given all the praise.
- I can’t create more than 5 (!) tags in the free version
- it can’t export notes in anything else than borked text files in the free version (formatting lost, no markdown, no pdf, no html)
- it doesn’t let me choose where I store my notebooks, in fact does not tell me where it saves them at all
- backup files are not human-readable, they don’t appear to be zip files in disguise, they are seemingly locked to notesnook (“.nnbackupz”)
- the importer/converter is on the web, and requires me to upload all my plain text MD files for conversion
I use QOwnNotes on the daily, which does not have any such limitations. On the other hand, it’s a markdown editor, which means your monitor space is divided by two : it has separate editing & preview panes. It’s honestly a bummer because apart from that it’s pretty much perfect
What a fucking shill. I’m downloading this right now.
I cannot agree with you any harder about FUCKING MARKDOWN. Fuck me I hate that every fucking note app wants me to write in fucking markdown. FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
1 star reviews on the app store consistently mention sync issues and bugs that delete notes and don’t allow opening. Have you encountered any of this?
Ok you win, I’ll try it.
Did you by chance self host the sync server using docker compose? Their instructions aren’t great and I was hoping you had some tips.
For anyone else interested, if I figure it out, I’ll post what I did here.
Edit 1: I finally got it all setup but syncing isn’t working so I guess I did something wrong 🙄 . Troubleshooting now
So yes, I did, and yes, their docs suck (better documentation is on their roadmap).
There’s a really good guide here on Lemmy that I recommend instead. https://lemmy.ml/post/25006407
Following this I had it up and running in no time. Check the comments as well, I added some notes on getting attachments working. If you’re still having issues shoot me a message and I’ll try to help.
Obsidian also has an importer, and some good sync plugins.
It’s also not open source. Totally people’s choice if they still want to use it, but that’s important to many. If so, I do predict you’ll eventually experience the inevitable enshittification…
One big plus for Obsidian in my book is that it’s just plain text. All your notes are stored in simple .md files
So even if Obsidian goes to shit you can use virtually any text editor to edit and view your notes
Plus it has a vim mode and allows css style changes since it’s Electron
Any ink support?
For drawing I suggest Rnote
That looks nice. Thanks for the suggestion.
Not to judge a book by its cover (ironically), but that name…
Which name, “VoroxPete”? Is that a shill or a liar in something?
I’m referring to the odd choice for the name of the software.
Oh, the name of the software: Notesnook? Ok. You obviously don’t owe me anything, I’m just curious why you find it so odd?
Well shit. Time to rip my own files because their migration stuff is going to be all Microsoft proprietary.
Obsidian ftw
Microsoft is working hard to get you to transition to a Linus Distribution. Thank you microsoft for your hard work and dedication.
It’s the usual rename and replace that Microsoft love to do.
“OneNote for Windows 10” is going to be replaced by “OneNote for Windows”
Why they always do the kill, rename and replace instead of just replace with an update? Each kill&replace operation leads to lost users…
Because they are too big to make intelligent decisions.
I’m very interested in OneNote alternatives. I’ve been using OneNote for longer than I’ve disliked Microsoft… and I still think it’s a good app. Pretty much the only thing I don’t like about OneNote is the increasingly close integration with Windows accounts. I’d rather my notes were not scanned and uploaded and processed by a US mega-corp…
Anyway, people keep suggesting stuff like Joplin. But that isn’t even vaguely close to OneNote in terms of stylus and inking. For me, inking is the main core feature. And so in terms of alternatives, xournal++ is a closer fit. (xournal++ has essentially no organisational structure for notes; but it is really great for inking.)
What I’d really like is basically the organisational structure of Joplin (or whatever other alternative) + the inking power of xournal++. And ideally being able to import my vast amounts of handwritten OneNote work! – But that last bit is probably too much to ask.
I’ve been using Any.type for a bit over a year, and am very happy with it, but I don’t believe it has hand writing support.
There is a free tier that includes 1gb synced storage (optional).
It’s open source. Somewhat similar to Obsidian, but no plugin support that I’m aware of.
I switched from OneNote a couple of years ago.
For hand writing i suggest using Rnote and for normal keyboard writing I suggest Joplin. Keep it synced using cloud provider or using Syncthing for free.
About organizational structure in Rnote I unfortunatelly recommend just saving files in a structure of folders. Rnote is the most polished alternative to hand-writing capabilities of OneNote I’ve found :c
About importing notes. I don’t think that’s possible but you can surely export them all to PDF from OneNote. I did that when I migrated.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll check out Rnote sometime soon.
(As I said, I do like the writing & drawing features of xournal++; and so I’ve been doing a bit of basic file / folder organising with that already; but it certainly isn’t as easily browseable as OneNote.)
