If it’s not true why is it in the terms of service
Coming to a car near you.
as required by EU legislation what fun
US’s too.
as standard, ACR data isn’t used for advertising purposes without consent
Consent presumably being a sticker that says “by opening this box you agree to the terms of service”
Yeah, consent is 100% buried in the non negotiable terms of service with no disagree button and you can’t continue to use the TV without agreeing.
You can continue to use the TV, but you may not be able to use the smart features built into the TV. And most of the people that are concerned about this aren’t using the smart features built into the TV anyways.
Sounds like something a spy would say.
They need to stop building these suspicious “features” no one asks for. All I want is a big, OLED dumb display that will last for at least 10 years. I don’t need or want it to do anything else. Just push pretty pixels across a couple of HDMI ports.
They profit more from selling data than from selling tvs, so they are never going to stop.
My LG oled had lots of dead pixel clusters around the edges and horrible burn in in the center after only 5 years. So yeah 10 years is a challenge probably. Never buying LG again.
My 65" B7 from 2017 is still going strong. No dead oleds. Still feels sufficiently bright in my room.
I’ve heard newer models are significantly brighter and have “better” HDR but I don’t see any need to upgrade any time soon.
I also don’t really baby it. I’ve left roughly still scenes up on the screen for 15 - 60 minutes before it automatically went to sleep and no burn in yet thankfully.
I regularly game on it and no burn in of the static elements of the UI.
Edit: I said burn in but I mean image retention.
You want them to stop selling your data to companies that use it to send you targeted ads?
C’mon, think of the shareholders, you monster.
iirc smart TVs are priced with super low profit margins because the main draw is data harvesting and baked in ads.
Bullshit. It’s true and they know it, as they themselves have put it: “We own the glass”
“we own the living room”
“we know who watches”“we own who watches”
GN’s vid it was excellent, but it could be a little difficult for some laypeople to follow. Also, it’s quite long if you haven’t seen it.
The accusations of spying aren’t solely against LG. They also make a very important point that smart devices are often compromised. LG just has the capability to spy on you whenever they want; that doesn’t mean that they’re the only ones who do it. So even if their policies have safeguards, and even if they try to argue for limited and constrained use; the other important problem is that they aren’t the only ones who can use it. So can bat man.
This is why this feels a bit disingenuous to me, because while it’s certainly implied that what they’re doing is super creepy —and I think the vast majority of normal people would agree— I think that they’re trying to mislead people into thinking that some of the demonstrations, which were what you could do with access to it, were intended to show what LG was doing opposed to what an adversary could do.
The accusations of spying aren’t solely against LG. They also make a very important point that smart devices are often compromised.
AI-generated exploits also seem to make it much more practical to compromise devices easily.. Which is even more concerning since many small devices are not made for being updated after sale.
Paradoxically, this can potentially also make it much easier and more feasible for open source hackers to develop scripts that allows consumers to root their own devices, and disable their mal-features.
even if they try to argue for limited and constrained use
sure, because the guy behind the LG ad business is barred from running a public company because of fraud…
Hey, I didn’t say it would be a good argument…
So will they sue in court to prove this? Of course not.
If it weren’t true, they wouldn’t bother denying it without an army of lawyers backing their legal department up to sue the shit out of anyone and everyone for libel. (remember kids, libel is literary, slander is spoken)
If it were not true, they wouldn’t hesitate to sue because these claims are damaging whatever reremovedtion they had.
If they don’t come out with lawsuits blazing, they at least think they won’t win a court case easily.
lawsuit = discovery. No way will they do this.
Steve is LARPing investigative journalism* and jumped on fairly benign stuff without understanding what half of it does and claimed it was spying. His main problem is that without knowing what’s normal you can’t tell what is suspicious. Hope he’s got enough money for lawyers since LG has a solid defamation case on hands.
* I dare anyone to say going to front desk at random Nvidia branch / office and asking for someone to provide a comment is normal behaviour of someone who knows how things work.
Oh wise one, please do provide at least one specific example of something they misrepresented/misunderstood.
You are wildly misrepresenting the situation. Did you even watch the video?
Yes. I’ve also seen plenty of his videos and I was subscribed for years until they ran out of things to cover due to current market conditions. Steve is not equipped to cover this kind of stuff unfortunately. He is equipped for testing audio equipment though - what became of that setup? I haven’t seen it mentioned ever again after showing it off couple of times.
If you’re talking about his anechoic chamber they still put every PC case and fan that comes out through it. He even has an industrial fan testing machine now.
(If the wake word is not recognized, no voice data is transmitted to the server; the audio processing for wake word detection is performed locally on the device and is immediately deleted.)
sure i am just going to take your word for it! /s
GN has shown they do a “full take” when you use the opt-out on your TV…Sure
Prove it. Open source the tv software
There actually is an open source edition of Web OS but I have no idea how close it is to the version on the TVs.
webOS was the Palm Pre os and it was actually quite good back then. When Palm folded, LG bought it to use on their TVs. It’s Linux based (as mentioned in the GN video) but that doesn’t mean they need to open source it; they just need to provide any modifications to GPL code that they needed to create.
All their spyware can just be closed-source executables that run on Linux and they never have to share any of that.
Edit: corrected. Thanks person below!
you typo’d the tld, it’s cani.rootmy.tv
Does that site only work for like certain things or…? I put my model number in (a tcl tv) and it comes up that its an invalid model mumber format, but theres no info anywhere to go off, just the text entry bar. Clicking the bit at the bottom just gives info about a specific rooting method no longer working, so that’s not it either.
Model number and firmware number in xx.xx.xx format. You can get the firmware number from the “Check for updates” menu where you check to see if there are new firmware updates…
BUT DO NOT UPDATE YOUR FIRMWARE!!!
LG is actively patching these exploites.
If you are still having an issue just Google the website or even ask Gemini, it will walk you through finding the information you need.
You go the site on a computer that is on the same LAN as the TV it will ask you to download a python script you then run the python script with your TVs IP address you accept the remote device pairing on the TV and it roots your TV automatically. This alone shuts down a lot of the telemetry LG harvests, but it’s also worth setting up a piehole and blocking the full list of urls it phones home too. Lots of stuff if you search the Internet. That’s how I figured it all out.
It is for webos TVs only which I believe is exclusively used by LG
This is correct. LG TVs only.
