so-called anti-imperialist discourse have actually reached the point of stooping as low as using NATO’s support for the genocidal Israeli apartheid regime to whitewash putinism as “the lesser evil”
hahaha holy fuck. Yea do fuck off and don’t forget to pick up your mask that you dropped.
Sure buddy. But I never wore a mask. It’s always nice however to see the fake “Marxist Leninist” mask slip off of confident campists like you to reveal the social chauvinism that Lenin spent so much energy demolishing. 100 years ago your social chaunivistic ilk was voting to “critically support” the Kaiser’s meatgrinder while making up excuses about the British and French imperialists. Only they at least fantasized social democracy while you only have Wagner’s boots to lick.
Also campism is a meaningless word. I don’t support Russia uncritically but I do support it for its anti-imperialist role. If anything it seems like “campism” fits you pretty well, no?
Russia has no anti-imperialist role. Russian capital exports influence wherever it can, it’s just a smaller player than the US/NATO bloc. Or are you going to make the case that Imperial Germany also had an anti-imperialist role?
The correct Leninist position is revolutionary fucking defeatism. The Americans should lose in Iran, Israel should lose in the Levant, France should lose in the Sahel, Russia should lose in Ukraine. I mean fuck, I’m no dengist, but nobody can deny that the Chinese are playing this game beautifully for fucks sake, keep feeding the fuckers rope to hang themselves.
The correct Leninist perspective should be a swift end to the war, which means Ukraine surrenders as soon as possible. Russia is not an imperialist power. It has a strong nationalist bourgeoisie, but no ability to export capital on the global stage in any real capacity. It’s stuck at the phase of monopoly national capitalism, which results in contradictions sharpening within Russia as they cannot export those contradictions to the global south.
Russia has legitimate security interests in not wanting NATO dogs at their doorstep with missiles pointed straight at them. Ukraine had the ability to make peace long ago and refuse to be a part of an escalating imperialist encirclement of Russia, but it chose to be the Israel of Europe (minus the settler-colonialism).
Not an imperialist power and without the ability to export capital? Tell that to Bashir’s regime in Sudan. Or to the Georgians, the Armenians etc.
A Ukrainian defeat just means entrenchment of a frozen conflict like one of the many Russia has imposed on its borders for decades, effectively carving for its oligarchy a competition free sphere, condemning the Russian periphery to misery while feeding the Moscow and Petersburg elite. Russian imperialism/colonialism since the time of Peter the Great has not been focused in the south. Its target has always been the east and north and as much of the more industrialized west it can subjugate. That it’s current borders already encompass much of that sphere should not be allowed to hide that Russia is a settler colonial state for anything basically east of the Urals
The Russian imperialism of the Tsar was abolished by the Soviet Union. It didn’t magically reappear when the Soviet Union dissolved. What the west wants most out of this war is a weakened Russia by which means imperialists can plunder its economy and give imperialism a new lease on life. Russia has an utterly paltry sum of finance capital and is largely propped up by export of commodities like oil and gas. They cannot export the contradictions to the global south, even if they wanted to.
A Ukrainian victory would lead the road straight to continued encirclement of Russia and the potential for imperialists to retake the control they lost in the late 90s with the rise of Russia’s nationalist bourgeoisie, and cement Ukraine’s status as a European Israel. It would further NATO leverage and entrench western hegemonic imperialism.
Repeating the assertion doesn’t make it true. I gave you my economic reasoning why Russia is a smaller imperialist and why its imperialism is not principally directed southwards. You say “paltry” but that’s not supported by the facts. At the most vulgar level I can bring up the often-made comparison with the economy of Italy. But compared to Italy, Russia also has military assets and nuclear weapons. Russian capital dominates specific dependent countries and tries to insert itself where it can, even in the global south. The case of Sudanese mines and Russian implication with Bashir is not a joke. It is NOT at the same caliber as the US and NATO but it IS a smaller imperialist power vying for a slice of the pie.
So, terms like “encirclement” are not interesting in this context. Imperial (and later nazi) Germany argued the same.
A Ukrainian victory would likely devastate the putinist oligarchy in Russia. It would also potentially strengthen the Europeans in their nascent Imperial antagonism with the US. The Americans were stupid enough to get involved in Ukraine when they would be much better served coopting Russia to encircle China.
I don’t pretend to have a crystal ball here. I am taking what is see as a principled anti-imperialist stance and pushing back against what I see as campist social chauvinism and anti-intellectual thought terminating mouth foaming that ML spaces seem to keep producing, like what EmiLee or whatever they are called were doing throwing around nazi accusations.
Russia has only 6 of the top 500 companies in the world. It physically cannot compete in the realm of imperialism due to being largely industrial and not at all financialized. You are arguing for an expansion of NATO and a strengthening of the unquestioned imperialist hegemony. This is not anti-intellectualism, it’s a principled ML stance.
“principled anti-imperialist stance” while advocating for the expansion of NATO and imperialism. Do you not see any of the contradictions? Why the EU supports “Israel” that also supports Ukraine, and that Ukraine supports “Israel” and wants to be the “Israel of Europe”? That Ukraine has been bombing Donbass for almost 8 years before Russia intervened. That even western media had reported on the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine when suddenly it stopped in 2022? (History did not start in 2022)
You disguise your chauvinism as “anti-imperialist” but it’s clear that you care deeply to not have your spoil of the imperialist plunder touched.
100 years ago your social chaunivistic ilk was voting to “critically support” the Kaiser’s meatgrinder
Actually 100 years ago communists were calling for an immediate end to WW1, and Russian Bolsheviks organized against Russia’s participation in the war, while American liberals were sending Eugene Debs to prison for opposing western involvement. Also, I’ve never met a person who used the word “ilk” who didn’t take themselves way too seriously.
hahaha holy fuck. Yea do fuck off and don’t forget to pick up your mask that you dropped.
Sure buddy. But I never wore a mask. It’s always nice however to see the fake “Marxist Leninist” mask slip off of confident campists like you to reveal the social chauvinism that Lenin spent so much energy demolishing. 100 years ago your social chaunivistic ilk was voting to “critically support” the Kaiser’s meatgrinder while making up excuses about the British and French imperialists. Only they at least fantasized social democracy while you only have Wagner’s boots to lick.
Yeah I believe you.
Tell me, what is the correct ML position then?
Also campism is a meaningless word. I don’t support Russia uncritically but I do support it for its anti-imperialist role. If anything it seems like “campism” fits you pretty well, no?
Russia has no anti-imperialist role. Russian capital exports influence wherever it can, it’s just a smaller player than the US/NATO bloc. Or are you going to make the case that Imperial Germany also had an anti-imperialist role?
The correct Leninist position is revolutionary fucking defeatism. The Americans should lose in Iran, Israel should lose in the Levant, France should lose in the Sahel, Russia should lose in Ukraine. I mean fuck, I’m no dengist, but nobody can deny that the Chinese are playing this game beautifully for fucks sake, keep feeding the fuckers rope to hang themselves.
The correct Leninist perspective should be a swift end to the war, which means Ukraine surrenders as soon as possible. Russia is not an imperialist power. It has a strong nationalist bourgeoisie, but no ability to export capital on the global stage in any real capacity. It’s stuck at the phase of monopoly national capitalism, which results in contradictions sharpening within Russia as they cannot export those contradictions to the global south.
Russia has legitimate security interests in not wanting NATO dogs at their doorstep with missiles pointed straight at them. Ukraine had the ability to make peace long ago and refuse to be a part of an escalating imperialist encirclement of Russia, but it chose to be the Israel of Europe (minus the settler-colonialism).
Not an imperialist power and without the ability to export capital? Tell that to Bashir’s regime in Sudan. Or to the Georgians, the Armenians etc.
A Ukrainian defeat just means entrenchment of a frozen conflict like one of the many Russia has imposed on its borders for decades, effectively carving for its oligarchy a competition free sphere, condemning the Russian periphery to misery while feeding the Moscow and Petersburg elite. Russian imperialism/colonialism since the time of Peter the Great has not been focused in the south. Its target has always been the east and north and as much of the more industrialized west it can subjugate. That it’s current borders already encompass much of that sphere should not be allowed to hide that Russia is a settler colonial state for anything basically east of the Urals
The Russian imperialism of the Tsar was abolished by the Soviet Union. It didn’t magically reappear when the Soviet Union dissolved. What the west wants most out of this war is a weakened Russia by which means imperialists can plunder its economy and give imperialism a new lease on life. Russia has an utterly paltry sum of finance capital and is largely propped up by export of commodities like oil and gas. They cannot export the contradictions to the global south, even if they wanted to.
A Ukrainian victory would lead the road straight to continued encirclement of Russia and the potential for imperialists to retake the control they lost in the late 90s with the rise of Russia’s nationalist bourgeoisie, and cement Ukraine’s status as a European Israel. It would further NATO leverage and entrench western hegemonic imperialism.
Repeating the assertion doesn’t make it true. I gave you my economic reasoning why Russia is a smaller imperialist and why its imperialism is not principally directed southwards. You say “paltry” but that’s not supported by the facts. At the most vulgar level I can bring up the often-made comparison with the economy of Italy. But compared to Italy, Russia also has military assets and nuclear weapons. Russian capital dominates specific dependent countries and tries to insert itself where it can, even in the global south. The case of Sudanese mines and Russian implication with Bashir is not a joke. It is NOT at the same caliber as the US and NATO but it IS a smaller imperialist power vying for a slice of the pie.
So, terms like “encirclement” are not interesting in this context. Imperial (and later nazi) Germany argued the same.
A Ukrainian victory would likely devastate the putinist oligarchy in Russia. It would also potentially strengthen the Europeans in their nascent Imperial antagonism with the US. The Americans were stupid enough to get involved in Ukraine when they would be much better served coopting Russia to encircle China.
I don’t pretend to have a crystal ball here. I am taking what is see as a principled anti-imperialist stance and pushing back against what I see as campist social chauvinism and anti-intellectual thought terminating mouth foaming that ML spaces seem to keep producing, like what EmiLee or whatever they are called were doing throwing around nazi accusations.
Russia has only 6 of the top 500 companies in the world. It physically cannot compete in the realm of imperialism due to being largely industrial and not at all financialized. You are arguing for an expansion of NATO and a strengthening of the unquestioned imperialist hegemony. This is not anti-intellectualism, it’s a principled ML stance.
“principled anti-imperialist stance” while advocating for the expansion of NATO and imperialism. Do you not see any of the contradictions? Why the EU supports “Israel” that also supports Ukraine, and that Ukraine supports “Israel” and wants to be the “Israel of Europe”? That Ukraine has been bombing Donbass for almost 8 years before Russia intervened. That even western media had reported on the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine when suddenly it stopped in 2022? (History did not start in 2022)
You disguise your chauvinism as “anti-imperialist” but it’s clear that you care deeply to not have your spoil of the imperialist plunder touched.
Actually 100 years ago communists were calling for an immediate end to WW1, and Russian Bolsheviks organized against Russia’s participation in the war, while American liberals were sending Eugene Debs to prison for opposing western involvement. Also, I’ve never met a person who used the word “ilk” who didn’t take themselves way too seriously.