Postmaster General David Steiner told a Senate committee Wednesday that, if a proposed rule is adopted, the U.S. Postal Service would withhold mail ballots from states that do not hand over to the federal government lists of people who have requested absentee or mail ballots.
Are there realy still people who thinks the USA is still a democracy?
How in the fuck is this okay or legal?
There’s no difference between a law not existing and a law not enforced
It’s even worse actually, because the laws are selectively enforced. They become a cudgel
My grandfather was a state trooper. His motto was “It’s only a crime if you get convicted.”
ACAB, BTW.
It’s not
You need to move past your legacy definition of ‘okay’ and ‘legal’. Those have shifted. We are not going back, unfortunately.
Fascists with higher powers don’t care about rules for themselves, the rules are only to keep people in check and to give something to the footsoldiers to believe in.
You guys completely missed it. The Supreme Court, months ago, ruled the postal service doesn’t have to deliver mail and can’t be sued for not delivering mail. It was over a long time ago. Americans are just too brainwashed to see what’s actually happening in their country.
Personally, I’m curious how they intend to apply this to states like mine, where all ballots are mailed.
I presume the GOP will just appoint people to represent you. Don’t worry, it’ll be totally in your best interests, as decided by the rich people running the party.
Do you like being owned as farm equipment? Because that’s what you get when right wingers take over.
My state is similar. The USPS were supposed to meet with state lawmakers this week, but cancelled last minute.
Hmmmmm.
Make sure the ACLU is there, just for expertise.
They will just declare that Republicans won all the elections
My prediction is that a lawsuit will go to a federal court, where they will strike this rule down based on Article I Section 4 of the Constitution.
They maybe fucked up by not waiting until closer to the election
No votes for you.
Damn, your state doesn’t even have drop boxes?
Drop box does no good if the ballot is never delivered to you in the first place.
Just as a disclaimer: I believe that states that have 100% mail in voting allow you to print your ballot at home if it does not arrive in time. Washington State does.
Oh, we do. I meant that all of the ballots get mailed to voters before the election. We can either mail them back (postage paid) or drop them off at drop boxes in every district. It’s a pretty awesome system, but if the USPS refuses to deliver the ballots it could be a problem. The state would have to figure out some other way to distribute them. It would be a huge PITA (not to mention expense) and probably reduce voter turnout significantly.
In Oregon where we’ve been vote by mail since like the 90s you can still vote in person. But we don’t really have the infrastructure to allow every voter to vote in person. If those ballots don’t get mailed out I imagine most Oregonians just won’t vote, and those that do are going to be stuck in never ending lines.
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Does Oregon not allow you to print your ballot if it doesn’t get delivered in time like WA?
Personally, I’m curious how they intend to apply this to states like mine, where all ballots are mailed.
…probably reduce voter turnout significantly.
Asked and answered.
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
The game is “do illigal action, ask for forgiveness/ make it legal later.” Ok, we’ll start killing the ultra rich and thier loyalist boot lickers, guards and pawns, and make it legal later then. :D
Anyone supporting this should be hanged. Or guillotined. I’m ok with either.
Both, in that order.
Well, it wouldn’t really work in the other order…
Not with that attitude!
There’s that good ol’ fashioned American ingenuity!
I wonder if they realize that blatantly breaking the law to serve the Cheeto-in-Chief will leave them all hanging out to dry.
Trump got rules in place to protect him from prosecution, all his idiots are still on the hook, and statue of limitations is longer than a presidential term ;)
Pardon pardon pardon pardon
didnt trump already normalize the revocation of pardons
And overusing exective orders.
It would be funny if the next guy signed one saying all of trumps executive orders are null. It won’t happen because dems love this shit as much as republicans they just won’t say it out loud.
Afaik pardons can’t be revoked?
So…extortion? Got it.
Video of Postmaster General saying USPS won’t send mail ballots to states that don’t provide voter lists
I would imagine that, in vote by mail states like mine, we would instantly have tens of thousands of volunteers going “Cool, cool… we’ll hand deliver them. Fuck you USPS.”
you can bring them to your voting place directly. thats what I did in the primary because he was already talking this trump.
The problem is people getting them in the first place.
holy trump. I did not even realize this was talking about them being sent out. My brain was thinking in terms of delivering them to the polling place. That is massively wack. The post office just won’t deliver a particular mail.
Enemy Domestic
I’m not american. Is there some other way they could be delivered without USPS? Do any states have their own postage system that could handle this?
Cut the fucking USPS off the loop and put a voting system in place over the internet. We’re a quarter century into the 21st ferchrissake…
No. Honestly we should be going far as possible from computers so that tech bros can’t rig the vote as easily. Paper ballots. With humans counting them. Sucks, but safer for democracy
I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that’s a cellphone with an internet connection.
There is literally no known method of securing something as important as an election over the internet. So many attack vectors and has the ability to manipulate massive amounts of votes. Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.
Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.
Not when the dude in charge of delivering the paper works for a fascist regime it isn’t, is my point.
I never said voting over the internet was a good option, I said it was the next least bad option when the snail mail service is compromised.
It’s not though, it’s just as bad if not worse
I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that’s a cellphone with an internet connection.
This is an exceedingly bad idea.
That would drastically increase the attack surface for voter fraud. I can just see the Russian Malware now that shows you on your cell phone screen that your votes were cast for your candidates while the malware voted for its candidates instead. You’d never even know your vote was stolen.
Election fraud. Not “voter” fraud. The former is when politicians/bureaucrats rig the system to cheat, whereas the latter is overwhelmingly a fictional boogeyman invented to spread FUD and/or misdirect attention away from the former.
Yes, and I feel totally safe with that because nobody has figured out how to steal all the money from your phone-wallet just by walking by you with an NFC scanner, or figured out how to run viruses on your phone just by texting you an image, or figured out how to intercept and manipulate traffic from your phone, or figured out how to… I think you get the point. Anything electronic is easily manipulated.
If the low tech paper system is compromised, then the high tech system is even more easily compromised.
Hacked by 4-Chan in 3-2-1…
Alternately, ddosed by 4-Chan even faster.
I think of this Tom Scott video whenever this comes up:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQsthat would likely be run by the executive. I do think congress should move many departments to be under congress with it being clear the president is just a day to day manage. much like the ceo and board of directors thing.
