I donate to a lot of worthy causes. This isn’t one of them.
If it worked it would be a dick move
I can’t imagine what she must be going through. It’s a horrible and traumatic loss.
But the people selling her on the idea thay such a thing will ever be possible are ghoulishly preying on a grieving mom. Her son is gone and will never be alive again. There’s no amount of money that can change that.
“100% sure — we’re not certain. No guarantees. But there’s a reasonable probability,” Peter Tsolakides of Southern Cryonics told 7News.
Weasley language.
Ron, Fred and George would never do something like this
Percy though…
Even in the most generous scenarios, cryopreservation of a person has to be done quickly, lest the brain decay.
Current methods cannot achieve it to begin with. Let alone once the person has been dead for days.
This. Even if cloning humans were legal, and she wanted to clone him, or freeze his deceased body to clone him in the future, she’d only have a few hours before his DNA was no longer viable for cloning.
This is just sad on so many levels.
she’d only have a few hours before his DNA was no longer viable for cloning.
Is this true?
If animal cloning after death is any indication. You have up to 48 hours after death to preserve the tissue and clone it.
I agree. Instead of freezing him, she should donate it to an anti bullying charity.
Anti bullying charity? How’s that work?
Use a corpse to scare bullies obviously
Sadly she will have to learn to let him go.
McCann said she repeatedly asked her son’s school and the Department of Education and Children’s Services to intervene, “but nothing was done. No one stepped in. And now, my beautiful boy is gone,” the fundraiser says.
Education is a business, everybody. The people engaged in it are businessmen.
This mother’s complaints were mere inconveniences for the businessmen. None of them would be willing to stick their neck out and and actually do something to solve the issue. They hope it will sort itself out, which unfortunately it has.
Always question authority. Don’t trust your peers to put your needs or the needs of the people you care about before their own.
Also, keep in mind this kid was only going to school so he could better serve the ruling class. His death will be added to the debt that the ruling class and their offspring will be paying.
So she’s raising the money now. How long will his body be decomposing before she can pay to have it frozen?
As I write this, she’s at 3% of her goal
$10,095 AUD raised
$300K goal·210 donations
Created 3 d ago
source: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-preserve-my-son-after-bullying-tragedy
At the current trend of 1% per day, that’s about 97 more days to go…
She has a 7 day window as per the article.
Decomposition sets in immediately, so any minute lost will dramatically lower chances of future revival.
Just fill those bits in with dino dna
Bingo!
As far as I know, everyone who has been cryogenically frozen and thawed out has had to have their soup-ified remains be scraped out of the vat into a barrel. I cannot imagine voluntarily paying to sign my child up for that fate.
I mean at most it isn’t any more damaging than putting some meat in the freezer. Which is to say it is pretty damaging for reviving purposes, but not soup level
It’s soup level when you don’t notice it’s defrosting for 4-5 months.
IIRC, brain matter takes a lot more damage than muscle tissue.
Man, suicide is never the answer to bullying. All it does now is give your bullies something else to make fun of you for.
He should honestly have taken out his grievances on the people who gave him those grievances in the first place. Hurting yourself because others hurt you is bitchmade and exactly what they’d like to see. They won’t feel sorry for you.
I agree that something should have been done sooner, but blaming the victim for the actions he took is a bad take here
One of my buddies in HS was getting bullied, requested he gets changed out of the class. Guidence decided if they work together in a group project in said class instead they might get along. Upon being forced in a group with the bully he requested to get changed out of class again to no avail. Yea the kid getting bullied just about flattened his fucking face one day and he got arrested for it. No good result for either party but maybe the bully will think twice about pushing buttons next time?
Imagine wanting to die so bad you actually do it but then you wake up in a world where you feel even more out of place.
Eh. We are so far away from being able to revive people after cryopreservation that it’s comical. You need the ability to rebuild an entire body at the cellular level. And if you have that kind of godlike medicine, a lot of other things are possible as well. For example, a society with such medical knowledge is probably way better at treating depression. Whatever nanobots or other Clarketech that is doing the rebuilding can simply cure a patient’s depression.
And as far as the whole “stranger in a strange land” paradigm that comes with finding yourself in the far future? The same tech that would allow someone to be revived from cryo would also give that society clinical immortality. If you can rebuild cells shattered by ice crystals, you can certainly repair the damage caused by aging. Reversing aging is trivial compared to revival from cryo. So if you get frozen and do somehow manage to wake up in the far future, you would have an endless amount of time to become acculturated to your new surroundings.
I remember watching a youtube video about a company that does this. You pay em, sign a contract, and when you die the freeze your body with the idea that one day science will be able to bring them back. I think its dumb af but why not. You won’t need the cash when you’re dead
I think its dumb af but why not. You won’t need the cash when you’re dead
That money could’ve always been spent to help those in need.
How does the subject have that money in the first place? By exploiting others.
They are in need… Oh liquid nitrogen
why not
The guy killed himself, maybe like respect their last wishes
13 years old
https://www.alcor.org/ if you want to hear a rosy picture. They are trying to sell you something, so be wary.
Cryopreservation is the best chance we have to bring back someone to life that we would currently consider (completely; no brain or heart/lung activity) dead. https://www.brainpreservation.org/large-mammal-announcement/
That chance is way less than 1% of 1%, but grief makes us do weird things.
Plus, perfusion needs to happen rather quite quickly or you get cell death on a scale that is likely to cascade, further reducing the chances.
I’m considering cyropreservation, but only if I can figure out some organization that will do it AFTER all my donatable organs have been harvested to extend or improve lives. Denying my organs to the living seems too monstrous for how little the chance of “survival” is.
And, while the structure of the brain might be saved, you are going to come back to a world that is unrecognizable. Either society can deploy nano-scale cellular repair for the whims of the dead, or we can upload consciousness. Maybe it’s better than non-existence, but I can imagine things that aren’t.
I’m considering cyropreservation, but only if I can figure out some organization that will do it AFTER all my donatable organs have been harvested to extend or improve lives.
Just curious, why would you consider cryopreservation after your organs are donated? I feel like you’d be a bit more difficult to bring back from the freezer if you’re missing organs. Or do you have another use-case in mind besides resurrection?
I would be a “neuro”, so only my brain would be preserved. The current best technology for brain preservation would mean revival is either an upload, in which case I won’t need my body, or protein-level unlinking, a technology that likely means a new body can be created as well.
Or at least, that’s my best guess. Certainly the amount of body-wide, but protein-scale damage caused by ASC seems harder to fix than regrowing replacement organs.
Like I said, ASC might be the “best” chance we have, but the chances are very bad you’d survive at all.
Tell me about the costs. What if it turns out to be just too expensive. What guarantee do you have they will do it?
Well, I’ll be incapable of action or observation, so there’s always going to be an element of trust. For many people that means having their family or close friend observe the procedure and storage, maybe even “visit”. I don’t know exactly who I would ask to do that, but I have 3 candidates. The executor of my estate would have to sue for breach of contract if the service was not satisfactorily provided.
Alcor has information about how they get paid: https://www.alcor.org/membership/ and I’m sure other providers also have similar information available.
At one point, I thought Alcor provided “tours” for prospective members to show how/where they would be “treated” when they become patients, tho I don’t know how helpful that would be except to show they do have space/infrastructure to hold and maintain the dewars. I do think I’d want to see some details about the facilities before I actually sign up. I think some members are involved in patient care, which gives them confidence that when they become a patient they will receive good care from the remaining members – tho, that reasoning can come off a bit “cult-y”. As far as I know, there’s no standards / regulations that could be used to objectively judge the quality of cryonic preservation.
I’m most familiar with Alcor, but I can’t say they will always be (or currently are!) the best choice. Their procedure is, last I checked, not what https://www.brainpreservation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/letterofsupportforasc_kennethhayworth_jan2018-signed.pdf recommends. It’s similar, but as far as I know, NO organization has really turned ASC into something that approximates a medical procedure, and I haven’t gone on a research dive in Alcor (or any other cryonics org.) since the ASC won the brain preservation prize.
HTH
Are you confident this is only one generation away?
What is “this”?
I’m not confident resuscitation will ever be possible (I believe I said “1% of 1%” in another post). It’s almost certainly not going to happen in 15 years (one demographic generation). If it is possible, It might happen in 150 years. We’ve only had integrated circuits for 65 years, so I really don’t have a good idea about what might be possible 150 years after my death.
I do think ASC could become the procedure that is adopted by cryonics organizations within a generation. I don’t think cryonics will ever be very popular because it promises very little and has so far delivered even less. By the time that changes, we might not need cryonics much.
I think the most likely future outcome is that under global climate collapse (before 2063, but after 2040) preservation of Alcor patients can no longer attract enough resources and fails, but so does the Internet, most large electrical grids, and industry regresses so that fossil fuels and most rare earths are no longer accessible, and the next Chicxulub event ends the homo genus.
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