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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlM to Inventing Reality@lemmy.ml · 8 months ago

The no-no word

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The no-no word

geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlM to Inventing Reality@lemmy.ml · 8 months ago
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      He doesn’t want to say Israel, because people conflate Israel with Judaism. He’s also making the focus a singular discreet and addressable issue, without bringing up the fact that the formation of the state of Israel has been a problem since the Nakba.

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        He’s not saying Israel because he’s a liberal Zionist, and liberal Zionists are currently hell bent on scapegoating Netanyahu as some weird outlier who is solely responsible for all of the evil Israel is doing.

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      Bernie is pretending like the Zionist entity is separable from its government.

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          The only way you can be “Israeli” and not be complicit in genocide is if you are a minor who does not have the agency to leave occupied Palestine, but does have the will to. It is not possible to live in an ethnostate of your own free will without supporting its inherent genocidal nature.

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            I mean I’m sure there are those who were born there without the means to get a passport elsewhere. But it’s probably a minority, and of those a very small minority that aren’t ideologically aligned with the regime.

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              A recent poll showed that a majority of young Israelis (18-21) are right leaning, more religious and more conservative

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              Being a Zionist is not a culture.

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                Sure it is. But think “petri dish”.

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                  Zionism is a disease. That’s certainly not the way apologists mean it when they call it a “culture” though.

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                  If they’re not Zionists they can leave the Zionist entity.

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                  Youre right, there are a dozen good israelis but thats about it. 99.9% of the country is for palestinian genocide. Huge majority had right to rape protests. I remember there were some anti zionist protests a year ago i think, but the protests were very small and you cant really reform a country like that when majority of the citizens agree with netanyahoos foreign policy, a lot of them dont like netanyahoo for his domestic policy, but they are aligned on palestinian genocide ans hating every brown person. Genuinely fuck that country

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                  I hear where you’re coming from with this, I also can’t help hear it as similar to “well not all men!” which, I think most rational people recognize is true. By far and on average it is safe to say “all”.

                  Just like when I teach people about snake bites, you should treat "every bite as it were venomus. It is true not every snake bite is - but is it worth risking death not taking the precaution?

                  I think it is important to disentangle the people from the state as it does seem like a fast slide into fully anti-Judaic mindsets when it should be fully anti-Zionist / anti-Occupier Israel.

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              Settler colonial culture dependent on international funding and domestic terror, get real

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              Ngl I hate settler colonial cultures with every fibre of my being, and I also hate those who defend settler colonial cultures.

              The only good ending for settler colonial states is their complete dissolution and the return of the land to its indigenous people.

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              You would have defended Nazi Germany

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          Israel has democractically chosen Netanyahu many times. Take a random Israeli, they’re likely to support this. That is an unescapeable fact.

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          If you can’t separate a people from their government, we’re virtually all guilty.

          Yes to Transfer: 82% of Jewish Israelis Back Expelling Gazans - Archive Ver.

          Settlers Killing Palestinians: A History of Impunity

          Hundreds Involved in Attacking Arabs and Leftists, but Israel Police Arrest Only Four

          Joint militias: How settlers and soldiers teamed up to kill four Palestinians

          Classified document reveals IDF ‘firing zones’ built to give land to settlers

          2025 pro-Israel mob attack in Brooklyn - guardian - MEE

          If you can’t separate a people from their government

          ???

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