The same CEO who, a while ago, praised the Republicans? How can a company under someone like that ever be “privacy first”? If I remember correctly, there were a lot of people acting as if this wouldn’t affect the products in of itself, but how could it not?
I get downvoted on Lemmy every time I point this out. It’s like clockwork.
My thoughts exactly! I was banned on a Reddit sub for critiquing him. Seems he really has his fanboys.
yikes… i need to dump proton.
“Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.”
It’s not “how to be slower” but “how to be safer and ensure we deliver a product that holds up to what we’re portraying it as.”
“how to have time to do my job”
These fuckers treat us like machines.
i’m just so goddamn pissed off. i am too overwhelmed with life and health stuff to have to worry about what my email client is up to. i dont have many switchovers left in me, boss
You fight the fights you can, and you make peace with the fights you can’t. This is a marathon, you have to maintain yourself to keep running - that’s human nature and okay. We all can’t make 100% optimal and good choices. Do what you can, educate yourself and others, grow; but also rest, enjoy, and don’t let things wear on you if you can help it.
Everyone needs a break. There’s always another chance to cancel, later.
Anyway, I canceled an extra time today, in your honor. (It seemed like their cancelation server was overwhelmed - I was getting timeouts. Naturally I reloaded each page a few times to be sure, because fuck everything about this.)
I switched to Mullvad and Tuta yesterday. Still working on moving password managers. I’ve let some things slide in the past but Yen has turned into such a big asshole. Proton deserves a better CEO.
Holy shit, well that slipped through my research. Time to checkout IVPN, maybe?
I switched to IVPN. So far so good.
Literally a Nazbol, a joke ideology indistinguishable from just being a Nazi in red. Being a true believer makes him a Nazi and pushing Nazis as spoilers makes him, guess what, a Nazi.
It’d be one thing if he got pushed out afterwards but the reality is Mullvad’s founders support ethnic cleansing, and as much as I don’t like Yen I don’t think the timing of their compliments can attach that sin to them, provably.
Isnt the founder of mullvad just as much of an asshole funding far right politics etc ? Not meant as a criticism of you, I’m in the same boat trying to move my stuff and its so fucking frustrating that so many of these companies are either led by psychopaths or being enshittified in other ways. I guess I’m looking more and more at self hosting shit again, but that also scares me a bit for stuff like email and password managers and hardware prices are insane… But either way I’m definitely spreading everything out to different companies this time… Not looking forward to changing my login email on every single website again after just having moved it to proton about 2 years ago…
So far I’ve come up with:
Email: Tuta seems okay
PW-Manager: Found no good service yet, self hosting Vaultwarden seems like an option but I read some concerning things about changing company structures at Bitwarde wich it depends on that implies them possibly moving away from FOSS
VPN: Dont know honestly
Calendar: Im with murena from /e/os seems fine for now
Cloud Storage: Dont really need this, as i have everything on my server but i need a better backup strategy for that server and my god harddisk prices are crazy…
Yeah i completely missed that during my research and am back using Proton until my subscription expires. I had a custom domain which made switching to Tuta easier
This was enough for me to jump ship, after some research fastmail seems to meet my needs. Sure its not a perfect replacement but im willing to miss out on some features to avoid funding this kind of behaviour. Voted with my wallet
I guess I’ll say it here, but I have always had weird feelings about proton. They are always marked as the top of privacy alternatives to Google. I was never sold on it though and figured that the shit would hit the fan eventually
I’m giving them a month to fire Yen and change direction or I’m out. I’m also looking for good recommendations of where to go - so far I’m looking at Tuta or Murena (my phone is already on /e/OS)
I just mailbox.org with a custom domain and it’s been great, no complaints.
I never liked proton’s app suite approach instead of picking one or two things and getting good at them so I’ve replaced all other services with other options.
I’ve been using Tuta for 8 or so years now and outside some rare technical issues years ago, I’ve been pretty happy with it. I’m also not aware of any drama they’d be involved in so they have that going for them.
The horrible search turned me off. I wish it made sense to support tuta but it was painful a year or two ago when I switched. Has it gotten any better?
I don’t really use search but I can play around with it to see how it is now. Is there anything specific that bothered you about it I should keep in mind?
It defaulted to only searching from the same day. If you pick a longer search range it warns you that it will take a while, and it does (did)
I believe they improved that quite a while ago. For me (using the desktop app) search returns results from 2021 within about a second or so. Granted, this will probably differ based on the number of messages to comb through and possibly the source (web/app) but it seem to be working really well in my case.
Can they force Yen out in anyway and save the brand?
It’s already ruined
Had I had even the most remote idea this would happen, I never would have migrated all my addresses years ago.
Fuck this. I can’t believe I’m to waste my time changing all my fucking addresses again.
My fault for not buying a domain for my email to at least make this slightly less painful.
So much for muh Secure and private mail. Don’t even know where to migrate next. Fuck this.
PS: Andy has partially responded to article in the ProtonMail subreddit. He has alleged that 404 took his comment about security out of context and offered absolutely zero context or explanation about that “Calling his employees losers” bit.
Here’s his full comment:
Happy to answer actually, since the quote above was taken out of context. Proton today does way more security reviewing than we have done at any time in the past. With the proliferation of AI tools, our code is also under more third party scrutiny than ever before. We see this across the industry, with critical software bugs (like the recent PHP bug) being found on an almost daily basis. However, several extra days of human review is not the correct way to confront this challenge. We still have human review, but now augmented by AI, has become exceptionally good at finding vulnerabilities in code. For some time now, Proton has also been using unaligned models with custom skills to do a thorough review of our code. This approach is better, and also faster.
It’s funny, 404 gets that “out of context” line all the time from public figures the report on. They always reach ahead of publication asking if they want to comment, so it can appear in the article. They provide context in their article. So far, 404 has shown themselves to be orders of magnitude more trustworthy than Andy Yen / Proton.
Yeah, if I end up switching providers, I’m bringing my own domain next time so at least my email addresses can stay the same.
Custom domains should be talked about more at some point in our lives for sure. That’s the key, it makes switching services so much easier and feels kinda like the end game for at least one part of our lives lol.
Mailbox.org is nice
I got myself tied up so deeply in Proton… email, password manager, VPN, storage. Never doing an all-in-one service again. I’ll find separate services for each of these, and if one goes to shit, it’ll be less work and less time to switch.
It’s hard to imagine someone more intimately familiar with “loser thinking” than Andy Yen. Go gargle Trump’s balls some more and bully your workers who actually want to build without security concerns. I’m staying far, far away from anything Proton…
Holy shit, I’ve already been blackpilled on AI and have fully accepted that it’s never going away, but firing people over their opinions of AI and then demanding their employees adopt AI into their workflows is unhinged. Guess I’ll deproton and use Mailbox.org instead because holy shit
Their cancelation server appears to be overwhelmed by the traffic.
It’s okay. I will keep trying until I get through.
Update: They were still having trouble returning a successful cancelation message, but we got it done.
I wish I could just throw out email and calendars as a service and still live in the modern world. I really don’t like my only options for them being having to host it myself with all the pitfalls that can come with or using services controlled by data brokers like Google, shit heads like this guy apparently is, or our way or the highway gatekeepers like Apple.
I just want to give someone money to let me point my domain at it for email services and host my calendar without any drama or BS. Why does that concept have to be so complicated these days?
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I use StartMail for email and I’ve been pleased so far. You can bring your own domain (though that might be restricted to annual subscriptions, like $60/yr), bring your own PGP key or have them generate one for you, and you get unlimited alias addresses.
I’m just waiting for the day to hear one of the founders eats babies or something, but they seem alright for now. It’s from the same company as StartPage, which very early on was providing a proxy to Google search for increased privacy.
They aren’t without concern based on their parent company. But they offer me enough features to mitigate that they seam leagues ahead of Google or Yahoo for mail.
so much for this ‘protection’
The fortunes of mail and VPN provider Proton will be managed by a foundation in the future. In this way, the founders around Andy Yen want to ensure the independence and direction of their company for the future and remove it from the influence of profit-oriented shareholders.
(emphasis mine) from heise.de
and like half the shit in this blog post written by lord proton himself, andy yen, ceo, announcing that foundation.
if this (op link) is any indication of how he treats those who work for proton, this guy needs to go… founder or not… ceo or not.
he was already skating on the proverbial thin ice with his magat/trump support.
You can’t build a service for whistle blowers, petty criminals, and weirdos then say fuck security. Anyone got any recommendations for a VPN that isn’t likely to have security holes as big as the ai bubble and won’t give my comings and goings away to the first government or corpo interested in it?
My go-to VPN is just wireguard to my home LAN since I only use it to protect the first hop on public Wi-Fi. If you care about your ISP knowing anything that obviously won’t work
I’m interested in some discussion of the downvotes here. It solves the first problem and I stated why it wouldn’t solve the second depending on what they care about. I don’t personally think a VPN is a good solution for the second at all: use Tor for that imo.
Mullvad and airvpn are the two good non-self-hosted alternatives I know
Mullvad was funding literal Nazis in Sweden unfortunately
Source please so that I can avoid them too?
Thanks!
