But seriously what kind of predatory policy is that in the first place?

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    As an European, the “you can’t close your account too fast, this process is mandatory” thing would be a one way to a trial.

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          Not sure if you’re aware of this, but companies break laws in the EU too.

          That policy is likely illegal in the US & it certainly is extremely uncommon. I’ve never heard of it. This post isn’t an EU vs US thing which they were trying to make it.

          That’s the meaning.

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            Canada too, but it’s a different level down there. Admittedly I don’t have a deep knowledge on these laws and across European nations, but despite all corruption I live through I still see how it can be much worse.

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    This is super clever. I cannot believe this never occurred to me, and I discovered it in a Lemmy ‘shitpost’ no less.

    Let’s keep up the memes and shitposts in this category!

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    be this site

    advertise to kids using discord servers

    if they win from gambling, ban them bc they’re underage

    if they lose, it’s their loss anyway

    double your profits with a simple trick

    btw this is not just a meme. This is something they literally do, see this vid for more details: https://youtu.be/yJZ9SwRArqs

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          I’ve heard of scammers paying out small amounts deliberately to reel in more money so this still doesn’t guarantee it’s real.

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            Even legitimate gambling websites do this, I was able to cash out £150 fine but a few weeks later when I tried to cash out at £700 I had to supply id. I was still able to deposit more money from the same card though, supplied my id, cashed it all out, told them to delete all of my details and account and never looked back

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              Legal requirements, KYC doesn’t kick in from 0, but it does after a few hundred or thousand

        • He was putting in thousands, about $5,000 USD. They were letting him withdraw a few hundred here and there. Then he won something like $10k that’s when they did a Know Your Customer check. Which he failed, obviously. They kept his principal and his winnings, lol.

          Hopefully he took it as a lesson. Not much else he can do. They said on their terms of service Americans were explicitly forbidden. Not much recourse.

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            That’s not a trick, that’s a legal requirement. They have to do KYC on a few grand and AML once it gets bigger. I had to go through this with Wise when I received a life insurance payout from another continent and I had to phone customer support to get it cleared.

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        Yup, this has been going on since the very early days of online casinos. A buddy of mine get screwed out of a few thousand playing one of those Caribbean poker sites because the Caribbean “bank” which handles the deposits didn’t participate in the US banking system, and he’d checked a box which certified that he was a citizen of St Lucia or something. Whoops.

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    What country is “you can’t close your account unless you go 90 days without using it first” legal in?

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        One tactic on social media is to delete as much as you can, change all your profile data so it’s bogus, and retroactively revise as much of your comment history so that it’s meaningless, such as NSA haikus.

        That way the account may not be closed, but it’s toxic. It will poison algorithm analyis, your consumer profile and AI scraping.

        The Escapist refused to let me close my account in the early 2010s. So I did this.

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      This looks like a gambling app. So it’s not that you can’t close it until it’s not used. Voluntary exclusion is a mandatory policy required by legislation so a gambling addict can ask a casino to functionally ban them. This app is extra predatory in that they don’t allow a permanent ban right away. Their goal is to make it take multiple requests so an addict can relapse and spend more money and it’s the addicts fault.

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        So the 24 hour and 90 day periods are different? Maybe it’s because of the LLM but they’re presented as the same thing.

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          Ya, they’re sequential. So if you have a devastating loss you can’t just immediately delete your account, you need to cool down for 24hr before they’ll even let you request a full 90 day self exclusion. And finally only after that can you actually delete your account.

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            Of course on day 90 they’ll send you a nice ad for “$100 free credits, no obligations on accounts that haven’t been used for 90 days”

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      I can think of a lot of services.

      “We’ll deactivate your account but not fully close it. If you want to cancel closure log back in within 30 days.”

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    I started dipping into watching regular cable again since we have it at the moment bundled with our internet, and man the commercials are bleak now. It’s all weight loss medication, depression medication, and gambling apps.

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      The programming is pretty fucking bleak, too. My elderly parents have cable TV and I try to watch it sometimes to entertain myself while I’m taking care of them, and I can’t find a fucking thing worth watching despite them having 500 channels or so. I always end up watching Beat Bobby Flay on the Food Channel and I can’t stand that fucking show.

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        Hahahaha yeah I’m there with you on the Beat Bobby Flay. I end up watching that or like Storage Wars, occasionally I’ll catch Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy. But mostly it’s a lot of shit I wouldn’t have wanted to watch back when cable was the standard.

        And my viewing habits have just changed so much that even if something is on that I would watch, I already have access to it elsewhere so I’d rather not watch it on cable.

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          Jeopardy just depresses me now. I used to think I could have at least competed on the show, but for the last 20 years or so I’ve been completely disconnected from pop culture and I could never hope to answer that type of question. I also miss Trebek, god damn it. Ken Jennings is alright but it’s not just the same.

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            To be honest I’m about as connected to Jeopardy trivia as I’ve ever been, which is to say it mostly still flies over my head and there’s the occasional questions that I know and the rare times when there’s one that I know that the contestants do not.

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      Streaming plateforms are so bad that traditional TV doesn’t seems that catastrophic anymore.

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          Have you tried Ozempic? Have you? Huh? You fat piece of shit!? Ozempic! Try it! Here’s a coupon for 50% off Ozempic. Have you tried it yet?

          Also, hurt in a crash? Call us! We’ll get you MILLIONS because you swerved to avoid that child in the street and hit a traffic light! We’ll sue that child’s family FOR YOU!

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          Funny but t2d blinds a ton of folks. If glp1s blind more than t2d, they will pull them off the market.

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          Because by the nature of how human fats work - there is hardly a safe way to get rid of them without working out. This is why every weight loss drug has had serious side effects.

          GLP-1 is like the first one that’s supposedly safe for general public (hence the miracle), but we are already seeing lawsuits and what not from bad side effects, so might not be too big of a miracle after all.

          This is without even getting into the cardiovascular system and how this enables lazy lifestyle (instead of working out) that inevitably leads to early death for many

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            Nothing is free, the difference between medicine and poison is dose.

            I would bet my life that there are unknown unfortunate side effects that a lot of people won’t like; time will reveal. There’s a race to sell all that they can now before those side effects are widely known

            I was interested in GLP-1 at one point, but after seeing the possible side effect of “hair loss”, I decided my hair was preferable to 20 lb. weight loss.

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              I honestly don’t even know how they work as they really aren’t common in Europe. That being said, US is positioned in quite a terrible place when it comes to nutritionism, so on average for every pound American eats, they get like 70% percent of the nutrients and vitamins as opposed to someone from UK for example. This means that if Americans start eating less simply because of GLP, malnutrition is going to spike. For many the daily food is so bad that for you to not be deficient, you will be obese.

              Looking online, the stats look worse than I remembered, so I’m not sure how accurate it is.

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                The US is also the home of “we have all this corn we have to figure out how to make money off of” and so did A/B testing to find the snacks which are the hardest to stop eating. It’s scientifically designed to cause obesity.

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                  And artificial flavouring doesn’t help either, since our brains map flavours to nutrients. Cravings for specific foods can be related to how much your body needs nutrients it associates with that food. But artificial flavours don’t come with any nutrients, they are just chemicals that mimic how the actual food interacts with our taste buds. So it can crave foods that do nothing to help with the nutritional needs, you’ll feel good for a bit because of how the body handles hunger (it subsides when we eat, not when we digest it and get access to the nutrients and calories, otherwise we’d always overeat), but then when the nutrient levels don’t change, it craves it again.

                  That’s how there’s so many people that are simultaneously obese and malnourished. The food has the calories and the body stores them for later use, but it doesn’t have the nutrition while foods have.

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              Nothing is free, the difference between medicine and poison is dose.

              This.

              Fentanyl will fucking kill you with micro-grams of a dose spliced into that line you’re about to snort.

              It’ll also help your brain feel happy after you suffered a traumatic injury and you’re laying in a hospital.

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    But seriously what kind of predatory policy is that in the first place?

    It’s a gambling site.

    Gambling is inherently predatory. It’s addictive. Gambling sites prey on this addiction. They’re not gonna let you go so easily. The wait period is to see if you’re really one of their best customers, unable to go cold-turkey.

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      But it’s so obviously flagrantly predatory… I really thought this would be too far, like legally.

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        I remember a time when Gambling was poison to professional sports. I’m not talking about office fantasy teams, or small bets between friends. I’m talking capital G Gambling. Professional Gambling run by businesses and gaming commissions. Professional sports tried very hard to distance themselves from gambling, so much so that Vegas didn’t have professional sports teams. Now there’s a ribbon on the screen showing Gambling stats the whole game. It’s ridiculous.

        Now I know we can’t put the genie back into the bottle. Gambling apps are here and they’re not going anywhere. We can stop the ubiquitous ads. We’ve done this before with cigarettes. It wouldn’t be hard. Take down the ads, stop showing betting lines during the game, remove any mention of it. Cause right now it really looks like professional sports and gambling are joined at the hip and before too long American professional sports will be more about gambling than the game. Which lets face it, professional sports are about being a profitable business first and a sports team second. We’ve just completely forgotten about the game to make another quick buck.

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          To be honest, anything at all that ruins professional sports is fine in my book.

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          Cause right now it really looks like professional sports and gambling are joined at the hip and before too long American professional sports will be more about gambling than the game.

          i thought that already happened in the NBA and NFL. MLB, maybe. Pete Rose and Michael Jordan come to mind.

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          Yeah, not to be pithy but the first step is admitting there’s a problem. That’s where we’re at now (or trying to get to).

          It’s so weird to me that sports/gambling have become so conflated. Clearly a lot of money has been thrown at the businesses running professional sports to land us here.

          Cigarettes is a perfect analogy. It’s not even an extreme comparison, both are undeniably a net harm to people, but are somehow normalized.

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            It really is. Tons of people still smoke. Some people chain smoke so much that it’ll kill them before they’re 50. We try to convince them stop smoking but if they want to smoke 5 packs a day we won’t stop them. We don’t advertise cigarettes. I mean they’re cigarettes, they advertise themselves. So does gambling. The apps aren’t advertising gambling, they’re advertising their app against the other gambling apps. Gambling sells itself just fine.

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    its called “laxed regulation for dubious reasons”. happens all the time because government officials should probably wear F1 gear with all their sponsor logos slapped on them.

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    Having worked in the industry, there’s actually an explanation that is only half predatory.

    Most of those addicted to gambling can’t and won’t shake it. They refuse to seek professional help, and the decision to quit only lasts the “temporary embarrassment” phase of losing all their money. Meaning: most gamblers who decide to quit (and we’ve got statistics on this), about 80-85% on average, is back to their favourite gambling service within 60 days.

    At the company I worked at, the primary reasoning for having a cooldown period instead of instant deletion was the following:

    • the cooldown period can already be linked with our lockout service which blocks the person from using the service for X days, so if they REALLY wanted to, they could block themselves for the entire time (and it surprisingly is being offered as part of the cooldown period)
    • if there’s a regulatory block (meaning you got formally diagnosed by a doctor, and that doctor, with your consent, reached out to the local regulatory body and requested a blacklist entry for you), the service is blocked either way
    • the users who do come back, don’t want to lose their “stats” - their previous bets, wins, losses, etc. would all be gone with a new account. In fact, the number one complaint from returning users was that their data was gone.

    Basically the idea is “if they’re coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them”.

    Now the thing is, for all the regulations… Gambling services are unfortunately not responsible for the addiction they cause. In my opinion they should be, just as a doctor would be held responsible if they fed into a patient’s painkiller addiction. And for all the regulatory crap… most people in gambling companies aren’t interested in compliance that much. It’s very much a “do it then say sorry and fix it in post” attitude from the leadership and higher management. So while the above might be the “official” explanation, I have zero doubt that the decision makers don’t give a fuck and are specifically doing it to psychologically pressure people into coming back.

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      Basically the idea is “if they’re coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them”.

      What exactly is the non-predatory half of that?

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        Had to account hop as fedia.io is down…

        The intent isn’t necessarily predatory. To explain it from business/product side, it boils down to two options:

        • we keep the user’s account and they can easily log in once they’re back and continue spending money through us
        • or we can delete the account at which point the user will think “hey if I have to re-register anyway, why not go to a competitor”, losing out on that business

        Remember, that level of any corporation operates on a KPI based approach. They don’t see people, they don’t see individuals, they see profit per user, they see user retention after a long term break, they see user losses to competitors because “their company has features X Y and Z, while ours don’t”.

        That’s why regulations are a joke. These very same people will go on about how preventing gambling addiction and general negative effects of gambling is good, then do the polar opposite. This is a big part of the reason why I left. Zero accountability of the people who make the decision while us peons were forced to do biannual compliance training and other BS, even though we never interacted with customers…

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          The intent isn’t necessarily predatory.

          Proceeds to describe an extremely predatory business practice and the corrupt incentives that motivate it.

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          or we can delete the account at which point the user will think “hey if I have to re-register anyway, why not go to a competitor”, losing out on that business

          Yup, that’s evil. That’s sick thinking that doesn’t respect your customers’ agency. Kind of unsurprising when your business is predating upon gamblers, but still evil.

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            Eh, no, customer retention isn’t inherently evil. After all that’s the goal of every company, to essentially “outbid” competitors for as many customers as possible.

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              They’re not customers, they’re users. And I didn’t mean to intimate that the competitors weren’t also evil in this racket.

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        Not OP but my thoughts are that maybe if they get back with their stats they won’t grind all the way back to their original stats potentially worsening the addiction?

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      Basically the idea is “if they’re coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them”.

      That sadly sums it up pretty well.

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      …just as a doctor would be held responsible if they fed into a patient’s painkiller addiction.

      Yeah! Like all those doctors who got in trouble for the opioid crisis!

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        Oooh, I saw a part of that firsthand.

        Relatives in Maine, three at the same address, got hooked up with a pill-mill in Biddeford.

        One sold all his Oxycontins each month, made a grand off of it.

        How he passed his mandatory “pill count” every week was to get the balance of pills he needed from his other relatives. They all had the same prescription. Would go in, be one pill over or under (“I felt good last week and forgot…” or “yaah, it was rotten for the pain so I popped an extra…”) and skirted the system for a couple of years.

        Coasted along fine UNTIL the Feds went and busted a Walgreen’s Pharmacy Warehouse in Florida that was the source of the pills…

        The next day, 4 of the 7 MD’s at the pill mill disappeared into the ether. A few months later the grapevine relays that two lost their licenses one got some sort of penalty and one likely left the country never to be seen again.

        Fucking crazy times.

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            Loosing your whole license to practice is IMO almost as bad. What you gonna do? Get a new equal paying job? In a medical field? Lol yeah.
            Why is an MD suddenly applyijg for a pharmacy assistant job. Amd a pharma company probably wouldnt touch the applicant witg a 10m pole

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            Sounds like one of them ran from the country. Since you don’t usually do that without extreme circumstances, I assume a longer stay in the tax-paid hotel was at least on the table

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        Bro, many doctors are terrified of catching the DEAs attention to the point where people who actually need them have trouble getting all controls, not just opioids.

        A bunch of doctors running pill mills did get busted for it.

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          It was a pretty small number of doctors who actually faced consequences for it. Personally, I put more blame on the companies pushing the drugs and releasing false information.

          And, yes, there are many doctors who are currently afraid of getting in trouble and that sucks. It’s the classic thing where the well-meaning, rule-following types get overly terrified while shitty actors can keep doing whatever. Then that sucks for everyone who actually needs help.

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          Thank you for saying it. I wanted to, but my brain isn’t working well, 'cause my untreated chronic pain is taking up all my brain power. Exactly because of what you mentioned. Even though I always did everything right and never would dream of abusing them. Life is hell now 🙃

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          Yeah, continuing an Adderall prescription is a pain in the ass thesedays, which really sucks when you need it to function.

          Tbh the DEA should always have been subservient to the FDA

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      “Basically the idea is “if they’re coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them”.”

      Thats extremely predatory, you are leaving bait in a trap.

      The responsible thing would be to delete and ban them since they have an addiction.

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      I mean gambling is shitty but we don’t hold folks that make alcohol responsible for folks getting addicted to alcohol.

      I’m not familiar with legal gambling, but theoretically there is a percentage of users that partake casually for fun - yes? And others who get addicted. Same with booze.

      Obviously the overall experience of gambling is more predatory/distasteful, but I’m not sure that means they should be legally responsible for the folks who get addicted. If the booze makers and sellers are not responsible for providing a potentially addictive product, why are they?

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        If the booze makers and sellers are not responsible for providing a potentially addictive product, why are they?

        True, but we do hold those who serve alcohol responsible for over-serving customers (at least in the US). Though I’m not sure how we’d even begin to regulate gambling services in a similar manner. A bartender can be held legally responsible if they serve alcohol to someone who is very visibly intoxicated, then that person drives home and kills a family of 4.

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        If the booze makers and sellers are not responsible for providing a potentially addictive product, why are they?

        Booze makers aren’t using predictive algorithms to hook people that are trying to quit.

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          Booze makers aren’t using predictive algorithms to hook people that are trying to quit.

          The hell they aren’t. That’s called “Marketing”. You’re describing “Marketing”.

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              Of course they do. In Landman, where Michelob Ultra is prominently placed, the booze companies sponsor Billy Bob Thornton’s character as he says “I quit drinking, I’ll stick with beer.”

              When told that drinking beer is still drinking, he replies “It’s a Michelob Ultra, there’s more alcohol in orange juice.”

              That is the beer manufacturers telling the public that they don’t have to stop drinking beer when they “quit drinking”.

              Recovering alcoholics caution that non-alcoholic beer is a major path to relapse, yet every manufacturer produces and markets a non-alcoholic version, designed and intended to keep people within the manufacturer’s sphere of influence, where they will receive marketing opportunities for real beer and other alcoholic products.

              Manufacturers offer direct incentives to drinkers.

              I realize these are traditional marketing techniques and not algorithmic targeting. However, these do indicate they are targeting recovering alcoholics.

              They also sponsor drinking apps. They partner with retailers and social media companies to identify and directly target consumers. Retailers print custom coupons for specific customers based on their partnerships with alcohol producers. These are all algorithmic targeting.

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          They for sure create targeted advertising towards likely repeat-spend customers. Big box liquor stores I’m sure use algorithms to encourage repeat purchases.

          Again - not defending predatory gambling sites at all - just aware that almost every business model is about targeting big spenders and getting them to spend more. Example: micro transactions in gaming.

          “Everyone does it” doesn’t make it ok, but if we don’t like that gambling sites care more about profit than the wellbeing of users? Certainly they are not alone in that.

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            Ok, but if we take a step back, is there any justification for this kind of gambling remaining legal, outside of a capitalist view?

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              Is there any justification in folks selling crap unhealthy junk food? It has any number of ingredients that are harmful to humans short and long term. It is addicting and habit forming. The health consequences on a macro level hurt society.

              There are any number of sometimes pleasurable but undeniably harmful things sold for a profit. I’m not saying I think gambling should be legal, but I am pointing out that it’s a slippery slope re: what crosses the line?

              I don’t spend money on gambling but I do sometimes spend money on other things I know are bad for me. Is the answer to outlaw unhealthy things?

              It’s not just the capitalists that want to make money - there are people who WANT to gamble. Make it illegal it will still happen - just without regulation. Prohibition didn’t work.

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                Is there any justification in folks selling crap unhealthy junk food? It has any number of ingredients that are harmful to humans short and long term. It is addicting and habit forming. The health consequences on a macro level hurt society.

                Plenty of food additives are illegal, so we’ve already decided that to some extent regulation there is OK.

                There are any number of sometimes pleasurable but undeniably harmful things sold for a profit. I’m not saying I think gambling should be legal, but I am pointing out that it’s a slippery slope re: what crosses the line?

                Going down that slippery slope, why are recreational drugs illegal? We’ve drawn plenty of lines already, and I’ve never heard anyone defend gambling with an argument that isn’t “but my liberty” or “it’s going to happen whether it’s legal or not”.

                For the record, I believe in the legalisation of drugs that do not have: A) Massive addiction-causing traits and B) Enormous health detriments

                I don’t spend money on gambling but I do sometimes spend money on other things I know are bad for me. Is the answer to outlaw unhealthy things?

                As we’ve already done, the answer is to find the limit for what is acceptable and regulate based on that limit. The limit changes with time and society (see: pornography, cannabis), but I believe gambling as a corporate profit option should be outlawed.

                It’s not just the capitalists that want to make money - there are people who WANT to gamble. Make it illegal it will still happen - just without regulation. Prohibition didn’t work.

                If gambling must exist, allow non-profit gambling operators and ban the rest.

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                  Non profit gamblers would be awesome - like all gambling proceeds go to addiction recovery services… emphasis on gambling addiction.

                  I do think if gambling was outlawed completely it would still happen - fewer people involved but likely more associated violence. I would 1000% support gambling only being available via not for profit companies.

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        We made tobacco companies legally responsible to an extent. I don’t see why we can’t do the same to alcohol and gambling by making them do something like fund rehab programs.

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        If the booze makers and sellers are not responsible for providing a potentially addictive product, why are they?

        Maybe they all should be.

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      There have been various stories in the Irish & UK press of people bombarded with enticements by the likes of Paddy Power to gamble even when they were obvious problem gamblers. This all comes out in court when the person ends up stealing from their employers but clearly for every prominent case there must be dozens, hundreds of less prominent ones.

      These companies obey the law but the law isn’t strong enough so there is plenty of scope for them to abuse it, encouraging gambling addiction and not shutting down problem gamblers. There are plenty of ways it could be regulated effectively but governments don’t have the stomach to do it. e.g. maintaining & enforcing an industry list of problem gamblers, putting limits on the amount anybody can bet, banning comps & perks, banning advertising & sponsorship, and heavy fines for failure to comply.

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        There is actually a country level list of problem gamblers that the companies HAVE to ban. Problem is, these gamblers will find ways around the law to satisfy their addiction.

        I do agree with the rest, regulation really needs to pick up. unfortunately most governments like the money they can make on gambling too much…

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          Problem is, these gamblers will find ways around the law to satisfy their addiction.

          Problem is mental health care isn’t available enough

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      most people in gambling companies aren’t interested in compliance that much. It’s very much a “do it then say sorry and fix it in post” attitude from the leadership

      I’ve worked in gambling (they like to call themselves “gaming”) as well and this isn’t true. Before you can enter any market the local regulator has to approve you. Also for any changes you make after you are in. Exception are markets with lax regulators, which is often the case for online casinos.

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        Just because your company was slightly better than the rest it doesn’t mean all are equal…

        And just because the regulator approved your entry to the market it doesn’t mean you’re always compliant.

        While working on the mobile apps of my now ex-employer, I found multiple compliance bugs. The ones that were direct, obvious violations were fixed immediately, the others that were questionably breaking compliance? Those went straight for our backlog of issues that never got fixed in my ~2.5 year tenure.

        And beyond that, most people from product side cared about how they can skirt regulations, how far they can go against the spirit of the law while keeping to the word of it. I pushed back on multiple features that were obviously predatory and enabling problem gamblers, going against our “responsible gambling” policies, and the response was that I should shut up and not stand in the way of profits.