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  • Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1·
    2 days ago

    Asked my nephew who joined the Marines about this. He said this is a “hot tray”. Basically just leftovers for the people that couldn’t make it to meal time for various reasons (his example was 2 people who had to guard their gear while everyone else eats) so they make a tray of whatever is available for them when they’re allowed to go eat.

  • WizardOfFrobozz@lemmy.caEnglish
    27·
    6 days ago

    Oh, no, the volunteer soldiers who are willingly taking orders from pedophiles and Nazis aren’t feeling COMFY and eating gourmet food???

    Fuck’em. This is better than they deserve.

  • chewypoops@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    6 days ago

    I mean, when you literally sign up to be cannon fodder, I don’t know what you expect. America has always treated troops and veterans like livestock. You could simply choose a career other than oppressing the third world for oil profits.

  • OBJECTION!@lemmy.mlEnglish
    34·
    6 days ago

    Lots of people arguing about this in the comments, but I’m glad there’s so many people defending the position that it’s ok to do bad things if you’re poor, because that’s exactly my position. I wasn’t in the military, though, no.

    I was the guy that trafficked kids to Epstein’s Island.

    I don’t talk about it a lot because most of the time people judge me pretty harshly for it. You wouldn’t believe how many dates have walked out on me the moment I drop what I used to do for a living. I mean, look, I’m not a pedophile myself. Most of the guys I was working for were just desperate and in it for the money. I don’t support what the guys in Washington decided to pay me for. Blame them, not me.

    What was I supposed to do, work in a warehouse or a grocery store or something? What am I, some kind of chump? Fuck that. With the money I made duct taping children’s mouths shut and throwing them into my trunk, I managed to earn enough money to put myself through college, and finally persue my real passion.

    That’s right. Now I’m finally able to persue a dual major in Moral Philosophy and Women’s Studies. Also, funny coincidence, I’m a TA and I’m actually teaching one of the girls I met in my previous line of work about feminism. What a funny little coincidence!

        • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          6 days ago

          You don’t think some members may have joined before this administration and got trapped doing this kind of shit?

          Its not like you can just quit, you usually do jail time.

          And if they have a family, are they supposed to just abandon them?

          Help me understand why it’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit with very little recourse.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.mlEnglish
            18·
            6 days ago

            You don’t think some members may have joined before this administration and got trapped doing this kind of shit?

            What, when we were occupying Afghanistan for 20 years and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians? What on earth makes you think I only hate them because of who the president is?

            Its not like you can just quit, you usually do jail time.

            Tough shit. A person threatening you with jail time does not justify committing murder.

            And if they have a family, are they supposed to just abandon them?

            Even if they have to, they’d be no worse off than the families of the people they kill. Although, I suppose they often kill the families too, so kind of a bad example.

            Help me understand why it’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit with very little recourse.

            This may be a difficult concept to grasp, but human beings have agency which means that if someone tells you to do something, you don’t actually have to do it, because you are not a robot.

              • OBJECTION!@lemmy.mlEnglish
                17·
                6 days ago

                Links for what info? Do you need a source for the fact that there was decades-long occupation of Afghanistan? Have you been living under a rock?

                • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  6 days ago

                  I’d you’re not going to link any info at all, why do you keep replying? I’m literally asking and everyone just downvotes me like I kicked their dog rather than proving any source.

          • J4g2F@lemmy.mlEnglish
            17·
            6 days ago

            You saying they joined before a administration did war crimes? So they joined before July 4, 1776?

            Trump is worse, yeah of course. But there is no living USA president that shouldn’t be send to den hauge

            • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              6 days ago

              I’m not saying any of that, I’m asking why soldiers deserve to eat trash food. No one can explain it, they just say “they deserve it”

          • 123@programming.devEnglish
            13·
            6 days ago

            The US military has been like this for decades though. You could argue ignorance, but at some point you have to take some personal responsibility for your actions.

          • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.mlEnglish
            5·
            6 days ago

            You don’t think some members may have joined before this administration

            Oh? Which administration do you claim it was fine to join during?

            Its not like you can just quit

            They can always quit, unless they are cowards .

            And if they have a family, are they supposed to just abandon them?

            Why are you not as concerned about the families in the receiving end of their invasions?

            Help me understand why it’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit with very little recourse.

            Why did they follow up on doing what they were told about signing up to murder foreign kids?

          • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.mlEnglish
            7·
            6 days ago

            The last time the US military did anything not evil was WWII and that was not really by choice. It’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit because they have at least three generations of murder as examples they could have looked at.

            • deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.mlEnglish
              8·
              6 days ago

              US straight up turned away diaspora Jews who fled Hitler. Soviets let them in, even tired to warn western countries like UK and so on but The West was ready to let Hitler destroy and conquer Europe so they could be turned on the Communists. The USSR foiled that plan.

            • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              5 days ago

              This is not even true . Fire bombing of tokyo and the two nuclear bomb are in the top worst terrorist attacks

              • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.mlEnglish
                2·
                5 days ago

                Yeah no, I completely agree they still did loads of very evil stuff, it’s just the last time that they did any thing that was somehow helpful

          • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            5 days ago

            No. I never heard this apologia when talking about russian soldiers. I am pretty sure the consequence for refusing to serve is a lot higher than in the USA

      • حمید پیام عباسی@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
        9·
        6 days ago

        They’re bombing my home country. People don’t generally root for the people who are murdering little girls where they come from. There are 5000 less Iranians in the world because of them.

  • Cherries@lemmy.worldEnglish
    25·
    6 days ago

    The latest Chinese propaganda has been posting pictures of their aircraft carrier meals.

  • ☂️-@lemmy.mlEnglish
    16·
    6 days ago

    what do soldiers fighting a cruel and meaningless war expect luxury meals?

  • Ilixtze@lemmy.mlEnglish
    23·
    6 days ago

    Mildly infuriating? The coward butchers in the us military deserve every humiliation and degradation they can get.

  • deft@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    27·
    6 days ago

    Good fuck em. Why would you ever join the military? I don’t care if you’re stupid and poor, I’m stupid and poor, I’d never join that dumb shithead factory

      • deft@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        17·
        6 days ago

        Like killing brown kids and upholding an imperial empire run by pedophiles?

      • Furbag@pawb.socialEnglish
        11·
        6 days ago

        Like what?

        And before you say free ride through college, let me head that off - it’s not free if it comes at the cost of human life being churned through the endless war machine.

        • Polisheocket@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          You do realize the military keeps out foreign invaders right? So you can wake up in a non war zone?

          • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            Bullshit nobody is going to invade the USA when it has nukes. The American army is a terrorist army serving imperialism

    • apprehensivecrab1@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      6 days ago

      For many, joining the US military is the only way out of poverty, a path to citizenship, or a way to a higher education. Some others just are victims of propaganda, or just genuinely sadistic, but unfortunately most of the people joining the military are victims of a failed education and social security system designed to bring more troops into the meat grinder.

      EDIT: Holy moly. I do not condone US imperialism at all. I am not saying that people who fall into the poverty draft get a free pass either. What I AM saying is that the US war machine is a fucked system that results in endless atrocities abroad but unfortunately will only to continue unless we dismantle the institutions that blindly draw people to the machine so that these people who would otherwise be vulnerable can wake the fuck up and turn away from it. These systems include capitalism, propaganda, imperialism, jingoism, a failed education system, etc… Chill out friends.

      • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlEnglish
        31·
        7 days ago

        Joining the US military means killing innocent men women and children all over the world.

        Is “wanting to escape poverty” a valid excuse to murder children? Bank robbery is a more noble profession than US militant.

        • Grilipper54@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          14·
          7 days ago

          Is surviving a reason for doing something bad?

          I’d say yes and anybody that disagrees has probably never been in that situation.

          There is a reason the military recruits the poor.

          • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlEnglish
            16·
            7 days ago

            Surviving is when you go work for or McDonalds or Uber not kill brown children. Such a pathetic excuse for mass murder. As if these people had no other option. In reality becoming a mercenary mass-murderer is just a bit more lucrative than flipping burgers.

            • Fluke@feddit.ukEnglish
              8·
              6 days ago

              Spoken like someone who’s never truly known desperation or genuine hunger. ie. One of the bourgeoisie who’d be first against the wall.

                • Fluke@feddit.ukEnglish
                  5·
                  6 days ago

                  No, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in you pretending to know what it is to be desperate, that you can judge others in such a position.

                  I ain’t justifying diddly squat.

                  Edit: For clarification, watching the fall of the American empire in real time is both amusing and enlightening. Hopefully, it happens fast enough that I get to see the end result.

              • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.mlEnglish
                5·
                6 days ago

                If you can join the most expensive military in the world, you are not nearly as desperate as, for example, people who survive in NATO without that.
                Also nowhere near as desperate as the people whose countries NATO keeps invading.

          • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.mlEnglish
            9·
            6 days ago

            You either agree that the people your empire has been invading have a right to defend themselves by eliminating your ss troops, or you think that your ss troops deserve to survive and get higher education.
            Which is it?

          • whereitsat@lemmy.zipEnglish
            8·
            6 days ago

            there are lots of ways to ‘survive.’

            let me ask you question: what’s worse from a moral standpoint: stealing an old ladies purse or killing someone? what about pitching a tent on land that someone else owns? what about parking your RV in a wal-mart parking lot overnight?

            some of those things are crimes and you’ll be looked down upon even if you don’t get caught.

            so, why do we say ‘thank for your service’ and then turn around and see the thief as less than human?

            i’d rather have someone poach on my land than bust into my house and shoot me in the face. i’d think anyone would feel that way.

            • HerbGrower@slrpnk.netEnglish
              6·
              6 days ago

              That whole thank you for your service thing is also distinctly American. No where else does that.

            • Grilipper54@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              6 days ago

              I don’t thank people for their service. I understand that some people needed to to survive. You’re legally allowed to park in wall mart overnight with an RV at a majority of locations as well.

      • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.mlEnglish
        22·
        6 days ago

        Would it be okay, then, for me to rob, torture, and kill your family if it was the only way for me to get higher education (i.e. something that is not necessary to live)?
        What about the families these monsters kill that won’t be able to receive higher education on account of being dead or kidnapped?

          • flandish@lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            6 days ago

            not a strawman. literally every role in the military is involved in the murder of children. every. single. role.

            • skidicarus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              5·
              6 days ago

              And what about roles outside of the military? When was the last time you contributed to slavery or child exploitation with your purchases? How about your employer?

                • skidicarus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  Just wanted to make sure since people in this thread seem to be taking a holier-than-thou stance. As above:

                  Would it be okay, then, for me to rob, torture, and kill your family if it was the only way for me to get higher education (i.e. something that is not necessary to live)? What about the families these monsters kill that won’t be able to receive higher education on account of being dead or kidnapped?

                  If we’re talking about more than just service members who directly engage in combat and are including non-combat roles (cook, mail clerk), then the answer has to be yes.

                • skidicarus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  2·
                  5 days ago

                  I hate to break it to you, but your consumption of unethical products is also direct participation in the unethical production of said products.

          • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.mlEnglish
            11·
            6 days ago

            Why “strawman”? They are literally saying that that is perfectly okay to do for USians against people elsewhere. Why can’t you also say how it would be so good if you were on the receiving end of this poverty-alleviating programme?

            Also, again, what about the poverty and education of the families these soldiers kidnap, torture, and kill?

      • zeezee@slrpnk.netEnglish
        18·
        6 days ago

        would you say the same for ICE? they also recruit from poor migrant communities because they’re most desperate and the pay and perks are good - would you say they’re justified in joining and terrorising the ones that didn’t?

        and while I 100% agree that propaganda and the system failing them is the main reason driving that - we don’t counter the propaganda by normalising the poor-to-terrorist pipeline as “well the system sucks but you gotta do what you gotta do” - there are red lines and if we could collectively resist them - we starve the system from being able to force people into the meat grinder

      • flandish@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 days ago

        i couldn’t afford college. Didn’t join. Ended up a software engineer. 🤷‍♀️

      • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.mlEnglish
        8·
        6 days ago

        They have the option of just not going to college.

        Or do you think I should be rewarded with more university by kidnapping, torturing, and killing your family?

        • 123@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          No, it does not. Grew up watching the non-english news, every year you would see reports of people that joined the military with that promise from recruiters and were deported at the end of their service.

    • TheGoldenV@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      7 days ago

      I was just wondering why this is mildly infuriating. I find it mildly hilarious. Dumb fucks joined up after the US went full mask off.

      Get what ya get and don’t throw a fit.