There’s enormous amounts of Zionist activity happening at Synagogues and other Jewish institutios that don’t happen in Churches. Such as including Birthright trips to Israel. Selling stolen Palestinian land etcetera. It’s far more involved than the way Churches are.
Also I don’t see anyone throwing a hissy fit when someone says the majority of Christians and their institutions are Zionist, and bending over backwards to deny it. I really liked this paragraph from the article:
The article ends with the following paragraph:
I am not advocating, as Hasan Piker recently did, that Jews living outside Israel should disassociate themselves from Israel in order to be safe. Jews are entitled to have an attachment to Israel. What I am advocating is the need to draw distinctions between Jews and Israel and between Judaism and Zionism. Blurring these distinctions, as Judge McFadden did in his recent ruling and as Jewish establishment organizations and the Israeli state do, does not protect Jews; it endangers them.
This is nothing but blatant acceptance, legitimization of Zionism and a contradiction. The author states that Jews worldwide are entitled to have an attachment to Israel and should not dissociate themselves from Israel, yet we must avoid associating Jews with Israel. This is ridiculous nonsense. As even the polls cited in this article state that almost 90% of Jews in America believe in Israel as a Jewish state, which factually makes them Zionists—this is the vast majority. If 90% or even less of any other group of people openly supported an ethnostate, absolutely no one would be wasting their time playing defense for that group. During WWII, no one complained about “conflating Germans with Nazis,” or “conflating white people with apartheid” in South Africa. In every other case, no one is afraid to name the perpetrator group, only for Jews.
White Jews have more privileges in the west than white anglos. Let’s bring up something from 100 years ago to absolve the next 100 years of crime they have been materially supporting.
I would push back the same way if someone made the same insinuation about Christians.
I just find it suspicious whenever someone paints any group as a monolith as this post implies.
What even is the point? Collectively holding anyone identifying as Jewish as complicit based on statistics that have a lot of other factors? How is it in any way useful to use Nazi methodology against another type of Nazi?
Nobody is throwing “hissy fits” (misogynist term btw) they are rightly skeptical of people whose analysis boils down to “most Jews are genocidal”.
Hasan Piker recently condemned people who sprayed graffity on a Synagogue, saying that was antisemitic and it had nothing to do with Zionism. But the Synagogue was of course very much Zionist. As are almost all Synagogues.
People protest outside Synagogues selling stolen Palestinian land? Zohran Mamdani calls that antisemitic.
This is the result of the endless quest to decouple Zionism from Judaism. Condemning people who oppose Israel as antisemites because an institution committing Zionism is Jewish. Giving power to Labour types to smear Jeremy Corbyn for opposing Israel. You name it they will abuse it all to continue committing genocide against Palestinians.
I just find it suspicious whenever someone paints any group as a monolith as this post implies.
Like when a black activist says “The white man oppresses us” that’s a step too far? See:
During WWII, no one complained about “conflating Germans with Nazis"
The problem you’re having is that you still believe Jews are oppressed, when they’re very much not. They are as Norman Finkelstein recently said “white plus”.
I genuinely don’t give a shit about what Hasan says about anything and I am not claiming Jews are oppressed or that tagging a synagogue is inherently anti-semitic. You are basically putting words in my mouth now.
There’s a huge difference in a black activist saying the white man is oppressing them and when some other white people try to single out any specific group as uniquely or inherently genocidal.
I think that is the crux of the matter here. People are absolutely trying to bring back older forms of prejudice and using Israel as a foot in the door. We have many many examples of it and the problem is that Jewishness is not really material to the fact that it is still just another form of euro settler colonialism draped in different language.
Focusing on the Jewish aspect will never not be suspicious to me.
There’s a huge difference in a black activist saying the white man is oppressing them and when some other white people try to single out any specific group as uniquely or inherently genocidal.
Except all the condemnations and smear campaigns are largely conducted against anyone who is non-white, and it works.
Centering everything about this on Jews vs Palestinians actually is fucked up. It is white settler colonialism just like it has always been. Furthermore centering the topic of Jewishness only serves to absolve white anglos of the uncomfortable truth that they are simply witnessing what they did for centuries now live streamed in real time.
Apparently way too many people are not ready for that conversation and that this is just mask off white supremacy. Zionists are just another new facet of white supremacy and the only reason to specify Judaism in this discussion is to deflect from one’s own position as a colonizing factor.
It literally is Jews vs Palestinians. Fucking white people on the internet centering their own understanding of an issue over what people all over SWANA have been experiencing for 80 years.
They can literally say god promised them this land, god also allows them to rape and murder non-jews, and you’d still be parroting liberal zionist tropes about how it isn’t jewish supremacy and point at the holocaust like that gives jews around the world a free pass to be literal nazis because WHITE LIBERALS dont value arab lives for SHIT.
This is an appealing escape hatch but it doesn’t hold up. Half the Jews in Israel aren’t white but from countries like Morocco and Iraq. Israel doesn’t run on white-supremacy. It runs on Jewish supremacy. You can’t move into a Palestinian home by being white. You can by being Jewish.
An escape hatch from what? Agreeing with you that Jews as an entire group deserve collective responsibility for the actions of Israel? Do we hold Americans to the same standard? Only half of the US is white, is it any less white supremacist? Do Israelis treat non-white Jews as equal? The answer to all of these is of course absolutely not, and if the point you are driving at is that we must to the first part to be truly anti-Zionist idk what to tell you except you are no comrade of mine.
I think the bigger correlation is that most Jews live in the west and the west is overwhelmingly Zionist.
There are more Christian Zionists than Jewish ones for example.
There’s enormous amounts of Zionist activity happening at Synagogues and other Jewish institutios that don’t happen in Churches. Such as including Birthright trips to Israel. Selling stolen Palestinian land etcetera. It’s far more involved than the way Churches are.
Also I don’t see anyone throwing a hissy fit when someone says the majority of Christians and their institutions are Zionist, and bending over backwards to deny it. I really liked this paragraph from the article:
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White Jews have more privileges in the west than white anglos. Let’s bring up something from 100 years ago to absolve the next 100 years of crime they have been materially supporting.
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I would push back the same way if someone made the same insinuation about Christians.
I just find it suspicious whenever someone paints any group as a monolith as this post implies.
What even is the point? Collectively holding anyone identifying as Jewish as complicit based on statistics that have a lot of other factors? How is it in any way useful to use Nazi methodology against another type of Nazi?
Nobody is throwing “hissy fits” (misogynist term btw) they are rightly skeptical of people whose analysis boils down to “most Jews are genocidal”.
Hasan Piker recently condemned people who sprayed graffity on a Synagogue, saying that was antisemitic and it had nothing to do with Zionism. But the Synagogue was of course very much Zionist. As are almost all Synagogues.
People protest outside Synagogues selling stolen Palestinian land? Zohran Mamdani calls that antisemitic.
This is the result of the endless quest to decouple Zionism from Judaism. Condemning people who oppose Israel as antisemites because an institution committing Zionism is Jewish. Giving power to Labour types to smear Jeremy Corbyn for opposing Israel. You name it they will abuse it all to continue committing genocide against Palestinians.
Like when a black activist says “The white man oppresses us” that’s a step too far? See:
The problem you’re having is that you still believe Jews are oppressed, when they’re very much not. They are as Norman Finkelstein recently said “white plus”.
I genuinely don’t give a shit about what Hasan says about anything and I am not claiming Jews are oppressed or that tagging a synagogue is inherently anti-semitic. You are basically putting words in my mouth now.
There’s a huge difference in a black activist saying the white man is oppressing them and when some other white people try to single out any specific group as uniquely or inherently genocidal.
I think that is the crux of the matter here. People are absolutely trying to bring back older forms of prejudice and using Israel as a foot in the door. We have many many examples of it and the problem is that Jewishness is not really material to the fact that it is still just another form of euro settler colonialism draped in different language.
Focusing on the Jewish aspect will never not be suspicious to me.
Except all the condemnations and smear campaigns are largely conducted against anyone who is non-white, and it works.
I gave you examples on how trying to deconflate the two is being abused. Nowhere were words put in your mouth. You just can’t seem to understand them.
If you want to seriously engage in a discussion read the article before typing the same generic comment over and over again.
https://tariqacknickulous.substack.com/p/debunking-zeteos-article-conflating
Centering everything about this on Jews vs Palestinians actually is fucked up. It is white settler colonialism just like it has always been. Furthermore centering the topic of Jewishness only serves to absolve white anglos of the uncomfortable truth that they are simply witnessing what they did for centuries now live streamed in real time.
Apparently way too many people are not ready for that conversation and that this is just mask off white supremacy. Zionists are just another new facet of white supremacy and the only reason to specify Judaism in this discussion is to deflect from one’s own position as a colonizing factor.
It literally is Jews vs Palestinians. Fucking white people on the internet centering their own understanding of an issue over what people all over SWANA have been experiencing for 80 years.
They can literally say god promised them this land, god also allows them to rape and murder non-jews, and you’d still be parroting liberal zionist tropes about how it isn’t jewish supremacy and point at the holocaust like that gives jews around the world a free pass to be literal nazis because WHITE LIBERALS dont value arab lives for SHIT.
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It is white settler colonialism
This is an appealing escape hatch but it doesn’t hold up. Half the Jews in Israel aren’t white but from countries like Morocco and Iraq. Israel doesn’t run on white-supremacy. It runs on Jewish supremacy. You can’t move into a Palestinian home by being white. You can by being Jewish.
See also: Is Israel WHITE Supremacist or JEWISH Supremacist?
An escape hatch from what? Agreeing with you that Jews as an entire group deserve collective responsibility for the actions of Israel? Do we hold Americans to the same standard? Only half of the US is white, is it any less white supremacist? Do Israelis treat non-white Jews as equal? The answer to all of these is of course absolutely not, and if the point you are driving at is that we must to the first part to be truly anti-Zionist idk what to tell you except you are no comrade of mine.