Zionism isn’t the sole essence of Judaism or Jewish culture the way colonialism is to whiteness.
In the west, it is for a lot of Jewish people. Most jews in the west are non-religious or atheist. I’m not making a generalization, but there are very little anti-zionist third-spaces or organizations that Jewish youth can attend that isn’t separated from zionism.
I knew jewish people who never even stepped foot in a synagogue, never celebrated hanukah or passover, their only connection to judaism is their connection to “israel” because they have some cousins who live there.
Yes, it was an external effort by “israel” to force the bastardized language of “modern hebrew” onto Jewish people. My partner’s father was the victim of that, his Yiddish school turned into a “hebrew” school within a few years due to a push made by the zionist entity. There are very few actual jewish people in the west who have any connection to judaism that isn’t excrement forced onto them by the zionist entity.
For many jews in the west, zionism is the sole essence of Judaism.
there isn’t a common otherized experience for whites, nor has externalization of whiteness ever been used as a seed for fascism.
A majority of white jewish people in the west are indistinguishable from other white people. Antisemitism in the west is a joke, it is laughable for people to even consider it an issue comparable to other types of racism in this country.
There is no systematic racism that affects Jewish people in the west. Banks do not deny people for being Jewish, Jewish people aren’t being illegally searched in the middle of the streets. Jewish people aren’t interrogated for hours when they travel abroad.
When the ADL mentions “antisemitic incidents”, a majority is instances of antizionism online or in public. You can go to the ADL page right now and send a report in saying hamas pooped your pants and it will be tracked as an official metric of antisemitism.
Yes, there are real instances of hate crimes happening to jewish people for the sole purpose of being jewish, but it is such a minuscule fraction of the hate put onto other ethnic groups, while sharing such a large percentage of media coverage.
I was an Arab raised in a post-9/11 society. The amount of racism that my community faced, the blatant, to-your-face racism. None of that got reported to the press, nobody gave Muslims or Arabs a platform to discuss the hate they received on a daily basis.
In the UK alone, a mosque is attacked every five days. We have men and women being stabbed in the streets for the sole purpose of walking while brown. Antisemitism is such a non-issue in the west, while having a monopoly on race-based hate.
The spread of Zionism in Jewish institutions isn’t just some natural, inevitable thing inherent to Jews, it’s artificially bolstered by its synergy with an externalforce, Western imperialism via the US and Israel.
If all but four mosques in the US were supportive of ISIS, even so-called western “principled Marxists” would be calling for the dismantling of them all, calling Islam a terror ideology, and at best, sending all Muslims to re-education camps.
When you apply the same calculus to Jewish institutions in the US, which are actually true, we have to hear tirades about how it isn’t the same, how Jewish people (many of which don’t even have direct family that has witnessed a crumb of antisemitism in their lives), are eternally oppressed, and how it is different, actually.
and it’s really weird to see supposed Marxists repeatedly side with Israel against anti-Zionist Jews.
Nobody is doing that. I have met and befriended many anti-zionist jews in recent years due to our shared activism, they are risking their futures for what they believe in and I cherish them deeply as allies.
They are still a minority of Jewish people though. They are the ones who have to come home to their zionist parents and extended family on holidays, if they aren’t disowned, that is.
Which raises another point, I don’t believe zionism can be separated from judaism, at least for a majority of western jews. Children of Jewish people are getting disowned and ostracized from their communities and families for their anti-zionist beliefs. Putting a “country” they don’t even live in over their own blood.
I don’t believe zionism can be separated from judaism
So you do agree with Zionists, got it.
None of your tired talking points address the issue at hand. You’re arguing that Zionism exists within Judaism. Of course it does, I never argued otherwise. You’re arguing Zionism dominates western Jewish institutions. Of course it does, it dominates all western institutions.
The point isn’t whether it exists within Jewish culture or how oppressed white Jewish people are in the west, it’s are there aspects of Jewish experiences, culture, and identity that aren’t Zionist? And of course there are. Anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews prove as much. These are aspects that Zionists are attempting to subsume into Zionism and people like yourself seem happy to cede them that ground.
It’s fundamentally a category error and an idealist theoretical deviation. How much it matters, I don’t know, which is why I didn’t make a claim about that. Just that anti-whiteness and anti-semitism are not in any way comparable, since the latter actually exists as a reactionary deviation and subcurrent. So it warrants some semantic precision to avoid making bedfellows with the likes of Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes.
Without Judaism, settler-colonialism would choose some other signifier or culture to co-opt, as has been seen countless times throughout history. Singling out Jewishness as some unique signifier inseparable from settler-colonialism is idealist, to say the least.
I don’t care for your opinion anymore, stop responding
This is childish. If you don’t want to open your beliefs to critique, don’t enter public discussions. If you don’t want a discussion to continue, simply stop replying yourself.
In the west, it is for a lot of Jewish people. Most jews in the west are non-religious or atheist. I’m not making a generalization, but there are very little anti-zionist third-spaces or organizations that Jewish youth can attend that isn’t separated from zionism.
I knew jewish people who never even stepped foot in a synagogue, never celebrated hanukah or passover, their only connection to judaism is their connection to “israel” because they have some cousins who live there.
Yes, it was an external effort by “israel” to force the bastardized language of “modern hebrew” onto Jewish people. My partner’s father was the victim of that, his Yiddish school turned into a “hebrew” school within a few years due to a push made by the zionist entity. There are very few actual jewish people in the west who have any connection to judaism that isn’t excrement forced onto them by the zionist entity.
For many jews in the west, zionism is the sole essence of Judaism.
A majority of white jewish people in the west are indistinguishable from other white people. Antisemitism in the west is a joke, it is laughable for people to even consider it an issue comparable to other types of racism in this country.
There is no systematic racism that affects Jewish people in the west. Banks do not deny people for being Jewish, Jewish people aren’t being illegally searched in the middle of the streets. Jewish people aren’t interrogated for hours when they travel abroad.
When the ADL mentions “antisemitic incidents”, a majority is instances of antizionism online or in public. You can go to the ADL page right now and send a report in saying hamas pooped your pants and it will be tracked as an official metric of antisemitism.
Yes, there are real instances of hate crimes happening to jewish people for the sole purpose of being jewish, but it is such a minuscule fraction of the hate put onto other ethnic groups, while sharing such a large percentage of media coverage.
I was an Arab raised in a post-9/11 society. The amount of racism that my community faced, the blatant, to-your-face racism. None of that got reported to the press, nobody gave Muslims or Arabs a platform to discuss the hate they received on a daily basis.
In the UK alone, a mosque is attacked every five days. We have men and women being stabbed in the streets for the sole purpose of walking while brown. Antisemitism is such a non-issue in the west, while having a monopoly on race-based hate.
If all but four mosques in the US were supportive of ISIS, even so-called western “principled Marxists” would be calling for the dismantling of them all, calling Islam a terror ideology, and at best, sending all Muslims to re-education camps.
When you apply the same calculus to Jewish institutions in the US, which are actually true, we have to hear tirades about how it isn’t the same, how Jewish people (many of which don’t even have direct family that has witnessed a crumb of antisemitism in their lives), are eternally oppressed, and how it is different, actually.
Nobody is doing that. I have met and befriended many anti-zionist jews in recent years due to our shared activism, they are risking their futures for what they believe in and I cherish them deeply as allies.
They are still a minority of Jewish people though. They are the ones who have to come home to their zionist parents and extended family on holidays, if they aren’t disowned, that is.
Which raises another point, I don’t believe zionism can be separated from judaism, at least for a majority of western jews. Children of Jewish people are getting disowned and ostracized from their communities and families for their anti-zionist beliefs. Putting a “country” they don’t even live in over their own blood.
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So you do agree with Zionists, got it.
None of your tired talking points address the issue at hand. You’re arguing that Zionism exists within Judaism. Of course it does, I never argued otherwise. You’re arguing Zionism dominates western Jewish institutions. Of course it does, it dominates all western institutions.
The point isn’t whether it exists within Jewish culture or how oppressed white Jewish people are in the west, it’s are there aspects of Jewish experiences, culture, and identity that aren’t Zionist? And of course there are. Anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews prove as much. These are aspects that Zionists are attempting to subsume into Zionism and people like yourself seem happy to cede them that ground.
It’s fundamentally a category error and an idealist theoretical deviation. How much it matters, I don’t know, which is why I didn’t make a claim about that. Just that anti-whiteness and anti-semitism are not in any way comparable, since the latter actually exists as a reactionary deviation and subcurrent. So it warrants some semantic precision to avoid making bedfellows with the likes of Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes.
You’re acting in bad faith. I said zionism can’t be separated from judaism, not the other way around.
I don’t care for your opinion anymore, stop responding
Without Judaism, settler-colonialism would choose some other signifier or culture to co-opt, as has been seen countless times throughout history. Singling out Jewishness as some unique signifier inseparable from settler-colonialism is idealist, to say the least.
This is childish. If you don’t want to open your beliefs to critique, don’t enter public discussions. If you don’t want a discussion to continue, simply stop replying yourself.
Also wtf… without judaism zionism wouldn’t exist, so yes no it can’t be separated.