The US House voted Tuesday to pass a measure to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country, springing Congress forward into an issue that has long stumped lawmakers and spurred impassioned pleas by parents, farmers and others with sharply divergent views.
It will now head to the Senate for approval before going to the president for his signature — though its chances in the upper chamber remain unclear.
I don’t care which one they lock in, as long as they just fucking pick one and stick to it. It’s the changing that’s the problem - we all have electric lights ffs.
If we see Donald Trump give that big speech on Thursday in a sweater I will think we fell into the time vortex
He’s not cool enough to put solar panels on the White House or give up his family business.
Or have a cool brother who makes beer.
A distraction it may be, but I’ll take a win where I can get one. Idgaf which version of the clock we’re going with, I just want it to be consistent
Can we please go metric next? I’m old but an engineer (and a farmer) metric makes things so much easier…
It would be nice. I would love to not have to keep two sets of each tool type just because America can’t admit Europe did something better. And not just a little better, like, it’s embarrassing how difficult SAE is over metric.
It’s probably too late for me. But I dream of a world where my grandchildren only need one socket wrench set.
If you do enough stuff yourself you already have two sets of tools. And torx bits. And triple squares. And reverse Torx and triple square. And robertsons. And Allen bits.
And extended versions of all of those. And short versions. And impact versions and the good ones and the garbage ones and sometimes extractor versions if you had a real bad day and went to Harbor Freight three times.
But never a ten mill when you need one.
Australian here.
It’s been a long time since I encountered a nut or bolt that was unambiguously imperial, but my 13mm socket probably gets more use than it should 😏
I would love to not have to keep two sets of each tool type just because America can’t admit Europe did something better.
Oh, you’ll still have to do that. Maybe your grandchildren can do away with the SAE tools … as long as they don’t work on old stuff very much.
But for all of us alive today, it won’t change much. Those SAE fasteners are still out there in use all over the place, and they’re not going to magically go away or convert to metric sizes. Even modern production lines producing things after the official change will still probably keep using SAE sizes for a while – converting the production line to metric sizes would require expensive retooling and would bring in zero profit to recoup those costs. Eventually things would switch over to metric sizes, but brand new fasteners in SAE sizes will probably continue in production for at least a decade or two after the switch … and the machines those fasteners are used in may continue in use for a long time even after new production is finally transitioned.
My guess is even if the US fully committed to the metric system today, it would still be ~50 years before someone like an auto mechanic could reasonably expect to work without ever needing SAE tools.
I’m hoping the US is just skipping metric and waiting for a far superior dozenal system. If base 10 is so great why can’t it be divided by 3?
Yes! Dozenal FTW
I doubt I will see the change either. I will say if you look around you can get dual use measuring devises. I got a great tape measure that is SAE and Metric. And digital calipers are already set up for it.
Tool wise it sucks having to have 2 sets… Especially having to have a metric and SAE adjustable wrenches (spanners for you over the pond).
The worst is getting out in the field with your 5lb hammer only to find you only brought metric stakes, so you gotta go all the way back and get your 3kg hammer.
Oh its the absolute worst! Or another pain, I have a cable 2 meters short and I left the cable stretcher at the shop!!! What do you do?
If you remembered your junction box pullers you can just scootch 'em a little closer. Just make sure you have a metric puller otherwise it’ll only pull 'em 2 yards and still be a little short.
Otherwise you gotta send the kid back to the shop to look for it.
My cables were RF so we didn’t use junction boxes so that tool was out unfortunately. Boy I wish we could have used it though!
Another hurdle was getting the signal up/down from the antenna(s). It never failed we didnt have enough frequency grease to get the job done. Many of junior helpers I sent out looking for that. Very kind of the other departments to help them on their adventure finding it. FacOps guys were the most helpful. And we help their apprentices find that Junction Box Puller, Cable Stretcher, etc.
Shit we had one kid nearly in tears looking for FG…
I just have two measuring tapes. With the dual tapes the markings are on the least convenient side of the tape half the time.
I do rough measurements in SAE so I know what to get at the lumber store, then do the actual cutting measured in metric. Those measurements happen at different times at different accuracy, and do not benefit from being on the same tape measure.
… Adjustable wrenches, you say?
Yes
It’s out grandchildren that won’t need two sets of wrenches. Maybe.
The US has been officially on the metric system since the Carter administration
IDK why we just didn’t stick with it or at the least put both miles/km on the high way signs and slowly get people to acclimate to it…
Feds aren’t involved in highway signs afaik. As for why no states do that, I dont know.
I think they might be as the highway system get funding from the Federal government. That why they have rules like there is so many straight aways to be used as runways, the highway beautification act that removed all the billboards, etc.
They’ll fuck it up and pick the wrong time, and it will be dark at 4:30 PM for the rest of our lives.
In 50 years, they’ll try to switch to the other time, but Conservatives will fight it because they think they’ll lose two hours, and they’ll literally threaten a Civil War over two hours, then someone will try to explain that they’ll actually GAIN two hours, and they’ll say it’s a Communist hoax with their two Socialist hours, just handing them out to people who don’t deserve them, like the welfare queens just helping themselves to as many hours as the Demon-rats can steal from the billionaires who have more hours than everybody else combined.
So they’ll compromise, and go back to switching times twice a year to keep NOBODY happy, and America can go back to normal.
Permanant DST was signed into law January 1974 and repealed October 1974. Everyone hated it, it went from 79% approval in December of 1973 to 46% in February of 1974.
Arizona loved it
Did they? Because Arizona was actually exempt from the 1974 change and chose to stay at standard time. They made Standard Time permanent in 1968.
How close are they to impeaching pedophiles in office?
Bad move, this should be something done at the state level only. Some states benefit more from permanent DST while others benefit more from permanent ST.
This is good … but the same kind of good like the captain of the Titanic declaring that the kitchens must supply vegetarian meal options to those who request it.
Yes, a good thing, but really far off from the most urgent issues facing the country, isn’t it?
Agreed. It feels like a distraction from Team Pedo
Climate change is one of the biggest existential threats to most species on earth, so no
I guess daylight savings time might have a slight effect on greenhouse gas emissions … but it’s got to be quite small. This doesn’t look like ‘serious action on climate change’ to me.
Maybe, in that case, it’s more like the captain of the Titanic putting up a sticky note on the bridge that says ‘watch out for icebergs’ … after they’ve already struck one.
Woosh.
Vegetarian meals is the easiest way massively decrease your carbon footprint
Watch Trump veto it because he didn’t get his election rigging “SAVE” act passed.
Doesn’t the rest of the world observe standard time? Why would we be permanently out of step with the rest of the world?
Actually, all “standard” time means is that the time is somewhat related to the sun being directly overhead at noon. I say “somewhat” because once you carve the world up into zones like that, the sun will never be directly overhead at noon except maybe in the middle of the zone.
Did you know China has only one time zone? The entire huge country runs on Beijing time. The far west of the country sometimes doesn’t see a sunrise until 10 AM.
So, there is really nothing “standard” about Standard Time at all.
I would like to see the world finally move to Swatch Internet Time and resolve all this silliness once and for all.
That seems like a lot of work just to make time work more easily in base 10. Rather than that, we could achieve a similar result by simply switching our basic math system from base 10 to base 12.
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Because it’s a solution that works?
Horses were a transport solution that worked.
And the fossil fuel industry is a solution that is proving to cause a myriad of problems. What a world.
You want to go back to horses?
Time zones and Daylight savings were once a testiment to man’s ingenuity triumphing over the imperfection of nature. You want to go back to being a slave to the sun?
I literally do not care. Make it permanent either direction for christs sake.
Yeah. All being ‘out of step’ means is that it basically just shifts the time zones one step over. And as long as it just stays that way, it’s fine.
As someone who works with timezones as a developer it doesnt really matter I don’t think. Timezone are already kind of a mess of a concept and honestly I just want it tp stop changing, I don’t really care which way.
Generally, yes. It’s America being stupid again.
I’m happy to get rid of the change, but once again they ignore scientists and health experts with the choice of daylight time.
I’m super into this. I’ve been dying for permanent DST for a long time and I really thought they were going to push Standard Time instead.
Permanent DST is more popular as most are evening people
Yeah but I like my evenings dark. Do you know how hard it is to get a 6 year old kid to agree that it’s bedtime when the sun’s still up? They’re not stupid, dad!
Poor you! We need to structure the world to benefit the parents of young children!
How dare someone have an opinion on a topic informed by how it will personally impact them.
They should just pick a stance based on vibes alone or just do what you want. That would be easier
It personally impacts me bro. I have teenage kids they’re grumpy with not enough sleep. We should make daylight savings 2 hours.
And that would have been a very valid point to raise. It’s a good point even, but just a blanket statement of judgement because someone has an opinion informed by their circumstances is unproductive
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Exactly, the significant majority of people hate the sun going down extra early in winter. The winter is so depressing with so much darkness, we especially need to maximize how much sunlight see in winter
Honestly having darkness until 8 or 9 in the morning would be great for sleeping in during Christmas break.
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Daylight savings time is being fucking stupid and out of date.
Why couldn’t they do permanent Standard Time? If history of permanent DST legislation prevails, this will be repealed within a year or two. Same as it will be in BC.
Saskatchewan is effectively on year-round daylight savings time and has been for decades, and they love it. History is not as clear-cut that it will get reversed.
