I’ve struggled to be musical all my life–took lessons, took college classes, did ear training, etc.

I think I finally cracked the code, and it’s surprisingly simple:

  1. Learn to play melodies by ear (starts with singing)
  2. Learn only enough theory to:
  • know your way around your instrument (scales, arpeggios)
  • understand chords
  • understand song structure
  1. Experiment (ie have fun!)

The most anal formal exercise I’d recommend is learning to hear relative scale degrees (two very good apps available for that)–though I think that skill would be developed by transcribing (playing by ear), it’s helpful for your confidence level to have graded exercises you can have some success with.

But my experience with most of my music teachers is they fall into one of two traps:

For classical music, it’s:

  1. Learn how to translate written notes into notes on your instrument.
  2. Go to 1.

For instance: I was taking clarinet lessons and I remember my teacher saying goodbye to his last student–a kid–and the teacher said, “If you bring me the sheet music for it, we can learn to play it.” And I thought what a missed opportunity that was for that girl to learn to hear and transcribe music–obviously not a skill he thought was important to the teacher at all. And I’d understand now wanting to do that for piano, which is really complicated, but learning to play a melody by ear on a single note instrument is a very achievable goal, especially when you have someone that can tell you what key it’s in and what the first note is.

The trap for jazz music is:

  1. Learn what are the “right” notes to play.
  2. Play them in any random order.

I used to blame teachers for just being bad at their jobs, but I think students (and maybe parents/administrators) are also to blame.

I ran across a senior guy who was trying to get back into piano. He’d played for a few years and it was clear he had no idea of how to be musical–no idea of how to construct a simple bass line, no knowledge of how to define a chord. So I said, “Hey, I’ll work with you even though I don’t play piano, I think you need to learn this song and just play the root and the five in the left hand, and sing the melody while you play, and use a metronome.” What an amazing exercise I thought: it would help teach him timing, develop his ear, develop his feel, let him be expressive with his voice, let him embody the melody, lear to work the bass, etc. Aren’t I brilliant teacher?

You know what this guy did? He pulled out his phone to show me some recordings he did of him playing the song the way his music teacher had written it out for him; it was what I expected–just haltingly reading the music with no sense of time. I wasn’t sure, but I think he wanted me to praise him for playing such a complex piece.

For him, and maybe for a lot of students (and certainly for parents and administrators), they don’t actually want to master music, they want to impress people. And maybe for the musically disinclined, haltingly playing a complex written piece is more impressive than a 2-note bassline in time with an expressive voiceline sensitive to dynamic; since most people in charge of music education (parents and school administrators) don’t know music, maybe they would promote a teacher who taught the former and fire a teacher who taught the latter…

For jazz programs, I think they’ve got a lot of theory they’ve got to cram into the kids heads, and we can learn theory a lot faster than we can develop musically, so if you’re going to be judged on “performance” of your students, you’ll be rewarded for having them be able to pass essentially paper exams set to music more than for having them skillfully play pentatonic blues.

I don’t know what the answer is, but for some reason, actually mastering music is very low on the list for both teachers and students.

What’s all y’all’s experience with music and music education?

  • HubertManne@piefed.social
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    17 hours ago

    Ive never been interested in music really but I went to a grade school with a music teacher that worked hard on the chorus and used solfage. I have a hard time matching a piano note but if I have a human in my section who is always on note I can match them and learn the song from them. I have some ability to match the piano its not totally gone and that with solfage will get me by but will take longer. I enjoy being in a chorus, choir, etc but often times its at a school and the professors want you to do more music which is kinda annoying. Im like look. I like doing it but im just not a musician. Im an instrument and you can have me be part or not.

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      Matching notes is a pretty important skill; it’s great that you can match a human voice. It’s just practice learning how the piano sounds. If you want to practice pitch matching, grab a keyboard app and go to town; there’s usually a bunch of other sound options so you can learn to match other instruments, too.

      Solfege with muovable Do is THE BOMB of ear training, I think, because it teaches you that Ti always sounds like Ti in whatever key you’re in. (Which is partially why I think learning multiple keys on an instrument too soon is destructive).

      There’s two great apps for that I can recommend: Functional Ear Trainer and/or Sonofield. I think you’d like Sonofeld better because it has more of a vocal sound, is more pared down, has better gamification and a better UI. Both at least available for Android. I’m not sure if Sonofeld solfege yet–it was just doing numbers last I checked in, but it’s simple enough to translate scale degreees to solfege (Do is 1 Mi is 3 Sol is 5, etc, sharps and flats are later down the line)

      Just a few minutes a day and you’ll be able to recognize some ptiches in a few weeks (applying it to live music takes quite a bit longer).

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        15 hours ago

        yeah and I get advice like this but I really just am stuck in my ways musically. I love working with a good conductor who uses solfege and the related hand movements (basically really up down, softer, louder) in a chorus. Its great if you have someone who is awsome and acts an anchor (the person who is always on the right pitch and you know if you are on a different one you are wrong and need to adjust.). thats basically the limit of what I am motivated to do musically. Honestly Im not sure if I will ever have the time to be in a proper chorus but you never know. Often times its just opportunity. location and time working with whatever your doing in life atm.

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          14 hours ago

          One of my struggles is how my expectations are different than other peoples.

          When I was in chorus I hated being in the position you’re in–needing to depend on others to know what the note was. It made me feel really insecure and awful and its why I’m not in a choir anymore.

          I also find little games with achievable goals fun, so if I can play a game in my spare toilet moments that will improve me musically, I’m happy to do it.