i used to literally use it for work. its not just my own opinion, and its slightly supported.
of course the landscape could have changed in the meantime, but that was the consensus among professionals at the time. you couldn’t send your delivery with anything other than a .psd, and gimp must have that success if we are to use it in lieau of other tools lile krita at least.
i want things to be better in that respect and i know gimp has the potential to disrupt the crappy status quo if it had a better ui.
I guessed that, and that was the point of my comment. It’s impossible to tell, do you and your fellow professionals like it better, or did you just got used to it so much and don’t want to learn a new one. It’s not impossible to imagine - because it happens frequently - that there is an app with measurably better UI, that people don’t want to adopt. I’m not saying Gimp is that, personally I think all of them are terrible, all in their own unique way, and I don’t know if it’s possible to make a good one for this application.
When I worked as a sysadmin, I saw this happening all the fucking time. Hundreds of people prefer doing something in 50 clicks instead of using a new app that allows doing the same in 10, because previous way is ingrained in their muscle memory, and they absolutely, positively convinced that the old way is strictly unmistakably better, and they would fight me with deadly force so they could retain their old ways.
After that, I really don’t believe in people’s objectivity when it comes to that. I don’t think people can tell what is “better UI”.
it doesn’t ultimately matter. i see neither a “user friendly” nor a “industry standard” UI on GIMP.
i’m also a sysdmin now, who sees the same tendencies as you just described, and have GIMP installed for an honest retry at 3.0. i have also studied UX as part of the formation i used to need photoshop for.
what it needs is for users and devs to stop being so stubborn about it and recognize its faults, and do like the Blender people did. its not good as it is, and people will keep wondering why everyone hates it until the status quo on it changes drastically.
its a shame because its very good software underneath the bad UX.
When are language models gonna be able to help there - a couple are doing such a good job regurgitating aesthetically acceptable draft web designs (stolen though they may be). They even figure out some logic along the way.
Anybody know of any existing LLM-driven UX enhancement plans on any open-source projects?
I need to find an open source project with poor UX and high personal utility (e.g. in a space I’m comfortable in). I could help!
I will say something I enjoy quite a bit is dictating long rambling monologues to a nearly flawless machine transcription system. Then I make multiple language models try to mock up and wireframe my ideas. They might be mostly or totally non-functional, but still communicate my vision very clearly & effectively.
go after such a project. a lot of the bigger ones can very much use designers, and are sometimes actively looking for contributors. this type of manpower is rare to see in the foss world.
onboarding is sadly not that good most of the time, though.
i used to literally use it for work. its not just my own opinion, and its slightly supported.
of course the landscape could have changed in the meantime, but that was the consensus among professionals at the time. you couldn’t send your delivery with anything other than a .psd, and gimp must have that success if we are to use it in lieau of other tools lile krita at least.
i want things to be better in that respect and i know gimp has the potential to disrupt the crappy status quo if it had a better ui.
I guessed that, and that was the point of my comment. It’s impossible to tell, do you and your fellow professionals like it better, or did you just got used to it so much and don’t want to learn a new one. It’s not impossible to imagine - because it happens frequently - that there is an app with measurably better UI, that people don’t want to adopt. I’m not saying Gimp is that, personally I think all of them are terrible, all in their own unique way, and I don’t know if it’s possible to make a good one for this application.
When I worked as a sysadmin, I saw this happening all the fucking time. Hundreds of people prefer doing something in 50 clicks instead of using a new app that allows doing the same in 10, because previous way is ingrained in their muscle memory, and they absolutely, positively convinced that the old way is strictly unmistakably better, and they would fight me with deadly force so they could retain their old ways.
After that, I really don’t believe in people’s objectivity when it comes to that. I don’t think people can tell what is “better UI”.
it doesn’t ultimately matter. i see neither a “user friendly” nor a “industry standard” UI on GIMP.
i’m also a sysdmin now, who sees the same tendencies as you just described, and have GIMP installed for an honest retry at 3.0. i have also studied UX as part of the formation i used to need photoshop for.
what it needs is for users and devs to stop being so stubborn about it and recognize its faults, and do like the Blender people did. its not good as it is, and people will keep wondering why everyone hates it until the status quo on it changes drastically.
its a shame because its very good software underneath the bad UX.
When are language models gonna be able to help there - a couple are doing such a good job regurgitating aesthetically acceptable draft web designs (stolen though they may be). They even figure out some logic along the way.
Anybody know of any existing LLM-driven UX enhancement plans on any open-source projects?
thats more a lack of people to do the things we need to be done problem, than some secret formula of how to make good UX.
LLMs won’t help here, we need an attitude shift away from excusing GIMP just because its FOSS, and the money/manpower to execute it.
if the good folks at Blender did it, we can do it too if we really wanted to.
I need to find an open source project with poor UX and high personal utility (e.g. in a space I’m comfortable in). I could help!
I will say something I enjoy quite a bit is dictating long rambling monologues to a nearly flawless machine transcription system. Then I make multiple language models try to mock up and wireframe my ideas. They might be mostly or totally non-functional, but still communicate my vision very clearly & effectively.
go after such a project. a lot of the bigger ones can very much use designers, and are sometimes actively looking for contributors. this type of manpower is rare to see in the foss world.
onboarding is sadly not that good most of the time, though.