I guess when you look up someone and find a bunch of info that you are reacting to, and you describe your reactions to us, it would be very bro of you to drop them same links so we can share the experience with you instead of telling us to just Google it, like we would necessarily find the same info.
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To be honest, anyone wanting to defend Tate is scummy enough for me lol.
Still shaming. I can understand why they use it. It feels like a human talking to you. Moreso than not talking to anyone.
It’s still pathetic though. Like, in a sad, literal, non-shaming way. The person is pathetic, and needs friends. 😕
Wow, makes me curious what he did.
What were your findings?
I was talking about using AI as a tool during software development, always have been.
Same as us. I guess. I’ve only been following our thread between the two of us, so I can’t speak for others. But yeah, that’s what I’ve also been talking about?
You’re not discussing the usefulness of AI as a tool to developers,
No, I’m not, because that’s not what we disagree on, first of all… 🤷♂️
You, and others, are determined to turn it into a discussion about the ethics of data centers.
Yes, second of all, because those are the most pressing and disturbing and important and urgent aspects in all of AI, the ethics. Of course they are, why wouldn’t they be. Nothing is as interesting or important as they are. Nothing!
And I’m not blaming you for anything. No need to play a victim. We’re having a discussion. 👍 You’re okay.
Oh yeah, been using that for as long as I can remember. I do work in IT 😊
Thanks, friend!
Thanks so much for the tips!
I found dnsforge.de which works well enough for now. European, which is a plus for me.
There’s a service that does this? Which one??
I need to get into this some day. Get the equipment I need, get it setup, get it done.
I’m having a really hard time determining if you are debating me in good faith here. It is virtually indistinguishable from willful misunderstanding.
Anyway, I’m all for the benefit of the doubt. ❤️
So a musician who doesn’t fully and directly control all the sounds in their music is not an artist?
Exactly. A pianist who can’t control the outcome of which keys they play on their piano is not a “pianist”, in my opinion. Same for any instrument, that I can think of.
Likewise, a singer who can’t control the outcome of which notes they sing, or which words they sing, is not a singer. Barring oddities like singers with Tourette’s Syndrome, or a completely tone deaf (or regular deaf) person. Those types of things don’t count, I suppose.
Likewise for electronic music created with the help of a music-making program where you just drag and drop sounds. You are still in complete control of the outcome.
Many big artists would fall short of your definition in that someone who isn’t them is controlling the lyrics, music production, final mix and so on.
Yeah, no, it’s not on that level. You are both going too deep and too high with this. Again, too extreme in interpretation.
I still don’t see the difference if someone has an idea in their mind and they are able to create that idea in the world with tool A vs tool B
Well, it’s about specifics in the music, then, I guess. If your “idea” is “I want to make a rock song”, you are not a creative artist. You are a prompt kiddie. That’s my take. Take it or leave it.
But if you have a musical idea, like a melody in mind, how do you prompt that? Can you play or hum a melody as a prompt? Why would you even? Are you trying to get it to finish the song for you? Why? You already have the inspiration in the form of a melody. Finish it! Know what I mean?
It’s not about understanding how the sound is physically, or electrically generated. It’s not that far down. It’s about controlling the music, every note, every instrument, etc. About directly controlling the outcome.
Electronic drums are often contentious, e.g. But if there’s a person in control of every percussion stroke, it’s just an instrument to me. All good.
Even if the drums are completely programmed, there’s still a person behind it who has a vision and a desire to have it sound exactly like that.
It’s not randomly generated where the “artist” presses a button and really has no idea exactly what the outcome might be.
With regards to your idea of generating some sort of scaffolding for a song and then continually editing it, I have to agree to disagree on that point. I have a problem with the origin of the starting point.
Even if you make a very close cover of a song that you didn’t write yourself, it’s still a work that had a basis in human inspiration and composition. Generative AI is not a human, even though the training data is likely of human origin.
Ultimately it’s the value we place in the amount of human input versus non-human input, in the case of works of art like music and imagery. I am not interested in non-human works. The ratio between the human and non-human input needs to be high enough for me to be interested.
Just like in sports. If someone sets a record but was high on enhancement drugs, it doesn’t count, or doesn’t make it as impressive. To me at least.
Hopefully my standpoint is made clear here.
No, this is taking it too far (and I think you might know that?).
What I’m talking about is control, and a clear vision of what the song should sound like in advance, before recording or performing it.
Of course, improvisation is another thing, where you lose the “in advance” aspect. But you are still in complete control in that case, of the outcome, as opposed to the case with generative AI. You are in control of every note, every sound created.
If for instance someone recorded all their own training data, designed their own NN, trained it, and prompted it would that be enough or not?
No, not for me. If the person involved doesn’t understand how or why the sounds created are created/assembled, then they are not the artist IMO. The artist is the one with the vision, with a clear idea of how it should sound. If they are not in control of that, they are not the artist, IMO.
That’s not the scenario we’re complaining about and you know it.
I always find that suspicious, yes. Not to be AI though — sites have been suggesting this for decades — but I feel like it speaks to the credibility and experience of the people behind the site. Even if AI wrote it, why is the human publishing it.
Everyone should know you should not run someone else’s script unless you understand it yourself, or can at least determine that there’s no malicious stuff happening in it. This should be common knowledge. And don’t copy paste command lines into terminal unless you know what it does.
Did we forget this in the *nix community?
I can’t think of many non-sweet cold drinks that aren’t water lol. Maybe ice tea? I like that. But I never drink that tbh. I mostly like refreshing fruity beverages like juices and lemonade and stuff like that. I do like alcohol-free ginger beer, that’s nice.
On occasion, must, as well.
If I go American, root beer and cream soda are probably my two that I can drink from that region. 😅 But those are obviously sweet.
When though I’m not a fan of Kitty’s configuration format, it’s the only terminal I’ve found that didn’t have some sort of bug that prevented me from using it at the time. A really solid terminal emulator.
Still my main.
You keep making your case around a veeeeeeeeeryyyyy specific type of user. It’s hard not to think it’s actually a specific person you’re talking about lol. Hardly a common scenario. 😆
Jesus Christ, dude. Never mind. Holy shit what a reaction. 🙄 Snowflake.