Hey now the OG Nazis also had the revanchists amongst the German nobility supporting them who did tend to be more intelligent, mind you they weren’t really ideologically Nazis but moreso just wanted to get back at Britain and France. Not defending them but compare that to the modern billionaires and well the downgrade is noticable.

Y’know maybe you’d be more convincing if you weren’t being condescending. At no point have I been a particularly ass in this conversation at least by my baseline standard. I’m firmly done with this conversation.

Equal opportunity rape birds.

Yeah I don’t think we’re going to make too much more progress in this conversation since I can see that we disagree on too many baselines. Namely violence but also how much weight you put on the term revolution. For violence I’ll just say I would happily purge and resettle Utah and large chunks of the south so as you may guess I don’t much care about murder, terror, and torture so long as I agree with the end goal. Also I put basically no weight on the term revolution, revolution is just revolt with some extra letters a monarchist revolt against a republic is still a revolution if successful.

The past influences the present but sadly time is apparently linear so the reverse inherently is not possible. Also bringing up Ford and IBM is kinda well outside the period of the initial 50 years of the US existing, yes the US has had massive ties fascism both in its proto and fully formed variants. I’m not defending the modern US by any means and I’m going to make it explicit and state I consider anything within a 150 years from present to be modern, that’d make something like say The Wounded Knee Massacre modern.

I consider the promises of the revolution and it’s true potential dead by the time Andrew Jackson was president and more or less solidified by the Trail of Tears. Everything good past that point is simply resources and progress to be exploited and taken advantage of by whatever successor states form when the US collapses. There have been multiple points of salvageablity but all of them have been failures.

My point is entirely on the fact that the US wasn’t inherently fascistic in its first 50 years because the ideologies that did more directly lead to fascism were not the big name revolutionaries. By the time of the civil war for example, yeah the Confederates were out and out proto fascists same fucken retoric as well and since they weren’t purged the tainted the rest of the US.

Also indie games tend to be quite good, I’m currently playing Obenseuer and my buddy and I are doing a run of Abiotic Factor with Valheim and possibly Permafrost on the list. Have to see how Permafrost plays.

My point is moreso that while the modern US is at best fascist aligned at worst outright fascistic the first 50 years or so fall into the same category as Rome, the Carolingian empire, or Babylon wherein it was far enough in the past that our modern descriptions don’t quite work due to just how different the world was. For context it wasn’t until the latter half of those first 50 years that steam power starts to refine enough to be usable let alone viable.

I try to caution inflicting modernism unto the past and that includes describing ideologies and tendencies that at the time didn’t exist, because you get weirdness like how Julius Caesar was technically to the left of Mamdani when it came to food distribution and rent increases for context Caesar stopped the collection of rent outright and gave out free grain in quantities enough to feed a family.

Proto would imply that there’s a direct line between them and fascism but it’s more like a deranged series of foot paths that are just as likely to lead to anarchism. Reminder folks from John Brown to Ho Chi Minh had respect for the revolutionaries even with their own critiques, also as I noted there is a far more direct line from the institutions of feudalism and monarchy to fascism. But political ideology at the time was weird and hard to classify within taxonomy, for example the Utopians who were the proto-socialists explicitly were also pro-slavery because they couldn’t think of other ways for mass manufacturing.

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I will not deny that but I will note that when push comes to shove it’s basically the only issue that breaks through party lines. Progressives and a good number of liberals were and are talking about all the other shit, but a lot of independents either don’t know or are so fucking checked out that they can’t really care, there was some of that energy with the files for example but that is abstract as a day to day issue. The cost of fuel though affects everything and everyone, when push comes to shove peoples ideology becomes irrelevant to the hunger in their stomach or in this case the gaping hole in their finances.

While it may be frustrating it does make sense that gas prices are causing an uproar since basically everyone is bitching about it regardless of their politics or ideology.

Saying it’s just gas prices and diesel kinda undersells how bad this is in practice. All goods and produce are transported with diesel be it train, truck, or even canal boat it’s probably diesel let alone the farming equipment that also uses it. This fuckwit basically caused the one thing that no empire wants to deal with, logistical failure.

Yeah the US was using eagle and fasci symbolism long before fascism was a thing, because fascists and the founding fathers were both Romaboos. Also before anyone says the founding fathers were fascists id argue they weren’t simply because the fascism of their era was the absolute monarchies, they were assholes and hypocritical jackasses though.

Well how else are you supposed to cook fresh baby back ribs, not like it’s beef and you can get it anywhere. Acquiring an infant is a lot like donating a kidney, they always ask questions like “where did you get that?” “Who’s is that?” And “Why does it have a bite taken out of it?” then when they stop asking stupid questions they start shouting shit like “Put your hands up!” Upside to the latter is that I get roast pork alongside the baby back ribs, still though youd expect them to be a bit more grateful.

Wonder how many people are gonna die or get seriously fucked up due to this shit. Y’know it’s shit like this that gets me to call Utah a shithole, the fucken Mississippi of the Western States Idaho is Alabama.

So this is just an aside but tasers generally have reduced efficacy when you wear layers, say a leather jacket, cotton flannel, undershirt, and say a tank top equivalent layer. While some of the reduction is certainly caused by the prongs not getting anchored I have to wonder if it’d work against these gloves.

That could be a problem for them as well, its not inconceivable that said bases could end up being surrounded and isolated or otherwise dealing with defection. Regardless it’d be a complete shit show, but I suspect theyd face some level of issue from mixed loyalty, breakdown of morale, or people going AWOL outright.

I just realized that the characters name may be a combination of Hal Jordan and John Stewart. Fucken love Megamind.

I’ve said this in the past but I really do think that if a civil war, balkanization, or federal weakening were to happen it’ll start here in California. Not necessarily because we are all that willing to do things but moreso because we are probably one of the more nationalistic states and Republicans would see us all butchered, all it’d take is the right pressure and the Californian nationalism will turn into burning federal field offices and mass graves.

A lot of states actually, California is in the top ten.

Personally I’m hoping for the woodchopper feeder to get progressively closer to him as he gets ever shorter.