He also said bluesky’s shift toward a traditional corporate structure and the introduction of centralized moderation tools were major factors behind his leaving the company, and he vouched for alternatives like nostr.

It seems a bit more challenging to pull shit like this on nostr.

People roman ?

I found it odd, too: dictionary entry. I’m guessing it’s cross language: romance languages tend to place nouns before modifiers. Or maybe it’s “People of Rome”?

• Roman people
• pull request
• parliamentary report
• press release
• prize ring
• proportional representation
• Puerto Rico
• Permanent Resident
• Progress Report
• Pressure Regulator
• Park Ridge
• Pattern Recognition
• PageRank
• Planning and Responsibility
• Performance Review
• Performance Rating
• Problem Report
• Papa Roach
• Personal Record
• Peer Review
• ⁝

You wouldn’t download a car?

I understood exactly what you were saying & assuming: it’s just wrong and off-topic.

The article contends “generating Ghibli art style” is an attack on democratic values, which is bullshit. You’re saying I’m advocating for disrespecting artists, which I’m not, and has nothing to do whether “generating Ghibli art style” attacks democratic values. The pointless outrage over who is or isn’t “respecting artists” is a distraction from the broken thesis of the article: it’s wrong & you’re letting that appeal to emotion & red herring fallacy

1. distract you from the fact that the article’s conclusions don’t follow from its premises
2. demonize people who point this out as somehow “against artists” (when they may even agree that it’s good to respect artists).

That’s wrong, irrational, and you’re falling for the article’s deception.

worthless when the website itself decides thatbit won’t show you the content

Businesses are legally bound to make their online content accessible: a screenshot without alt text doesn’t solve this for them. Isn’t it common practice around here to link to archives? Quoting & linking isn’t worthless.

quoting? you mean, all of the response tweets?

Yes. Unreasonable? No, compulsory & common standard industry standard. Out of legal necessity (and market reach), they already write text out (as alt text for all meaningful images). An image of a tweet with replies requires writing all that text out.

Try this exercise yourself to realize how pointless an image of text is (which images of tweets mostly are). Take an image of text, write the markup to display the image, include an alt attribute set to the full text shown in the image. If you have any sense, you’ll return to the source of the image to copy & paste the original text into the alt attribute. If you lack sense, you’ll tediously read the image and retype it into the alt attribute. Your choice.

Realize anything yet?

1. You’re returning to the source, so linking it is basic sense, right?
2. You already write text out, but your effort is wasted as a flat text attribute for an image that adds nothing compelling, only some meaningless visuals of UI artifacts. That text could instead be the main attraction with semantic mark up (blockquotes, paragraphs, lists, etc). It makes more sense to skip the image entirely & quote the text directly: less work, more functional, better.

and how do you quote images, videos?

The way it’s already done. Online news doesn’t typically give screenshots of images or videos. They link, embed, or copy the image or video to directly provide it alongside some quotes.

Selecting lines of text instead of rectangles of screen to copy & paste isn’t a novel, farfetched idea.

If the point is to reproduce an image, not text, then yes, definitely provide those images. Agreed: nothing wrong in that.

As written multiple times, there are better alternatives. Disregarding them is shortsighted ableism. I suggest some attention span.

In that case, too, the text can be quoted, then just like magic it’s accessible. A quote that links to the source is a strong combination.

Everyone benefits: the text is searchable, reflowable, adaptable to multi-modal input & output, easy to quote via copy & paste, etc. It’s simply more useful & screenshots don’t inherently give any of that.

No

Please stop with the “ablism” thing to shut down anything good but not good enough.

What is not helpful is calling people tomstip using a normal day to day tool just because it isn’t perfectly adjusted for < 1% of the Internet users.

Emphatic no to your no. Disabling content isn’t good or helpful. Disabled content is worse for everyone: no source, less functionality, less to corroborate, often harder to read. It’s only “good enough” for people able as you while pointlessly excluding those unlike you, ie, ableism.

16% of the world population experiences some form of disability. Anyone can become disabled temporarily or permanently. With age, nearly all of us become disabled in some capacity. This is as much a matter of self-regard & forethought as it is for regard of others. It is in your interest to have accessible content whether or not you realize it.

we can improve upon this by, I dunno, making an image format for screenshots that allow for alt text or whatever.

A new technology isn’t needed: not breaking what isn’t broken is enough. Better alternatives have existed since the beginning of the web: linking, embedding, or even copying & pasting the text into a blockquote. A screenshot of web content is a shitty tool serving the able-bodied.

If I can’t see the info on bluesky without an account then yes, a screenshot should be required.

That’s a strong argument for pressuring bluesky to cut their crap instead of enabling their structural ableism by taking screenshots. The alternatives mentioned before still exist.

Bluesky content can be deleted

There’s this crazy feature where if you select the text instead of a rectangle of screen, you can copy & paste it. Always been there. About the same number of steps. Wild.

I’m not saying I don’t care about them

Whether you “care” doesn’t matter when the effect is the same as not caring and the simplest actions anyone could take aren’t taken. The effect of that blithe, inconsiderate disregard is structural ableism. Rather than take the easy way out & reinforce this, we each have the power to address it.

Unlike the abstract issues often discussed here far removed from our control, these are practical actions within our immediate control. We all have power with the simplest of gestures to make our content accessible instead of selfishly able-centric.

Choosing not to when we know better indicates who we are. Defending acts to harmfully disable content also indicates who we are.

Sources can be recovered in archives & web caches. Screenshots can be fake & often break accessibility.

Always prefer sources.

I can’t see any screenshots

how lazy is this “journalism” where they don’t copy the images

Images of web content usually break accessibility (implicit ableism) unless alt text is provided, which really amounts to a poor substitute for embedding content, block quoting, or linking to source (what the web was made for), where no alt text is needed because the actual text is there.

Stop breaking accessibility: oppose inaccessible screenshots of accessible content.

Why even bother with a hate speech policy? Oh, right, money.

The “platinum rule”

1. falls apart when people expect something wrong or unreasonable
2. isn’t reciprocal
3. fails to judge actions based on whether the actions themselves are right or wrong.

While the golden rule has flaws, too, (why someone came up with categorical imperative), at least it’s reciprocal.

The platinum rule is to treat others as they would want. One way to treat others is to let them do as they want. People would want that, so according to the platinum rule, we should. Can we oppose them? People wouldn’t want that, so we shouldn’t.

The platinum rule obligates actions followers may disagree with (eg, someone wants treatment others think is wrong). To address that, a follower may want to be treated in ways that don’t create unwanted obligations. If we disagree about the right way to be treated, then we give them unwanted obligations. Thus, we shouldn’t disagree.

In effect, the platinum rule prohibits dissent, which is unjust. This platinum looks more like pyrite.

In particular, the platinum rule obligates the artist to let & not oppose someone who wants to express themselves with derivative art. Expressing oneself with derived art is not even an act done to or treatment of the artist, so arguing for respecting the artist with the platinum rule is questionable.

Anyhow, in a discussion about democratic values (contention of the linked article), no position on whether an artist should be respected matters, because it clarifies nothing in the defense of democratic values. “Respecting wishes” isn’t a democratic value and neither is being a good person. Individual liberties such as freedom of expression are democratic values. Defending that democratic value means allowing whatever regardless of whether we should respect artists. That’s why I wrote it doesn’t matter & such arguments are “futile & senseless”.

It’s also why I don’t state my position on it: it’s a red herring that doesn’t defend democratic values, which I’m arguing to do while the linked article argues an undemocratic message (exercise of free expression is wrong) that purports to be prodemocratic. Even if I agree with (I could!), it’s beside the point.

I think it’s worth pointing out that respect doesn’t mean fulfilling someone’s wishes or treating them however they want. While that would be nice, satisfying nonobligatory expectations is not a duty, and not doing it is neither right nor wrong. Respect means treating someone fairly, justly, which includes accepting their freedom not to appease every expectation. Claiming we should always respect people’s wishes is bizarre and indicates lack of experience or failure to imagine how that obviously goes wrong. We can’t satisfy everyone, nor are we here to. This just seems like basic sense.

Not at all: logical ethical principles (golden rule, harm principle, freedom of the individual) & basic individual liberties in a free society. Such a society where people are free to express themselves without doing actual harm is a benefit to the world “at large”. The alternative would be bleak.

To answer your question, it’s more about arguing for basic freedoms consistently than about arguing for disrespect.

When approaching these ethical questions, I think it’s best to focus on the individual & moral reciprocity: should someone be able to express themselves in a way that offends me? As long as it obeys the harm principle, the answer is yes. Accordingly, anyone should be free to express themselves with imagery in the style of Ghibli (using tools such as AI) even if it offends the studio’s founder, since it results in no actual harm.

Since morality should be based on universal principles that don’t depend on contingent facts of an agent (such as their characteristics), I find it clarifies questions to approach technology with their non-technological equivalents. Would it be wrong to train a person to learn Ghibli art style so they could produce similar works in that style on demand? The harm of that is unclear, and I would think it’s fine.

I don’t see a general duty for a free society to fulfill a wish unless it’s more of a claim right than a wish. In particular, criticism is a basic part of art: a duty not to criticize artists (who wish not to be criticized) would be unjust. While an artist should get credit (and all due intellectual property rights) for their work, once it’s out in the wild it takes on a life of its own: people are free to criticize it, parody it, & make fair use of it. Some wishes don’t need to be fulfilled.

you’re a bad troll

Haters gonna hate.

the entire thread was about AI IP theft

Answered: that part you didn’t read.

It’s funny the largely anti-capitalist crowd doesn’t care about intellectual property until their favorite bogeyman shows up. Then they suddenly “care”: whatever it takes to take down AI, right? Even if it takes us down with it.

I don’t like weak arguments that try to manipulate our emotions with our favorite targets of animus, nebulous claims of threats to cherished values, misuse of the word fascism. The person’s liberty to express themselves (even in ways we dislike with technology we dislike) is more important than an argument that rings false.

you threw in a red herring

Your moral hypocrisy? The coherence of your “moral code”?

just to make personal attacks against me

Does it suck to be judged for the actions you’ve demonstrated here?

I’m also not here contemplating killing someone over dubious theft (of expressions!): that was all you.

when you are challenged you claim abelism

Also, whenever I come across it & feel moved: the casual inconsiderateness of online images of text is noticeable & easy to call out. Instead of distracting nonsense, turning that useless online outrage & public shame toward something concrete we ourselves can address today (like web accessibility) might do some tangible good for a change. Sustained long enough, it might catch on & make us more considerate in that 1 small yet noticeable way.

it’s really pathetic and gives differently-abled people a bad name. you should be ashamed of yourself

Does it? Someone here should be ashamed.

If we’re done getting distracted with ourselves, the point remains that the article is a manipulative argument lacking substance.

more images of text alt text that misleads people with accessibility needs

So just to be clear

• false “IP theft” (derivative works in a similar style aren’t theft) that harms no one violates your moral code
• discrimination that objectively disadvantages the disabled is fine to you.

Much can be understood about someone’s sense of morality in their actions (eligible for moral consideration) toward the disadvantaged. Does that person treat others as that person would want to be treated by them? Do they prioritize a cause that doesn’t address a credible harm over their easily addressable actions that do cause credible harm?

Your moral code & moral claims seem confused & mistaken.

Well, you’re wrong.

image of text
no alt text
people with accessibility needs can’t read this

And you’re ableist for that. Good job.

When a machine imitates me, I take it as an insult to life itself.

I might be flattered that someone bothered to make a machine do that. Massaging software to do that also takes skill?

When GitHub Copilot lifts my opensource code, I’m not offended. I only cringe a bit when it’s bad code I regret committing.