I was abused by my christian parents.
I would like to live long enough to see humanity mature out of superstition and free the world from human greed.
I recently started treatment for my alcohol dependency; imo, no one should drink it. Alcohol is basically poison. It is worse the younger you start:
The brain is still developing throughout the teen years. Research shows that heavy drinking in the teen years can cause long-lasting harm to their learning, memory, and reasoning.
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/niaaa-middle-school/too-soon-too-dangerous
Why would I do that when it’s not my claim? The onus is on you to show that they were disallowed.
If you can disprove the contents of the article you chose to criticize, please do.
I know what the article and the headline say. Your initial criticism is still invalid.
Can you find a source that says they were allowed to resubmit the post?
I do not have a facebook account to see the group page for myself. According to the article, the criticism was not reposted. It was banned there, as reflected by the headline.
They asked about submitting the post for approval
…which was ignored. Instead:
they were offered a meeting with Acton.
…which turned out to be a lie.
Where do you get the idea that they were allowed to resubmit the post?
the Ohio Democratic Party had demanded the criticism be removed. The caucus protested, appealed, but then relented. The criticism never went back up.
It was banned.
No. Remember? They tried that:
After deleting the original statement, we promptly asked about submitting the post for approval through the proper channels so that it could be reposted. At this point, ODP staff informed us that a meeting with Acton was on the table. After thorough discussion, caucus leadership determined this offer aligned with our goal to bring our message directly to her.
They got tricked into attending a meeting without Acton. And some of them weren’t allowed into the meeting.
That isn’t the question. The question is “why can’t the original posters resubmit through the proper channels”? Because it was banned.
The page where it could do the most good. Why is that not enough for you? It is still a ban.
They posted to Facebook. The post was taken down, allegedly because they did not go through proper channels to post it. Their requests to return the post to Facebook were met with invitations to a shitty zoom call they couldn’t enter with a person who did not attend.
that specific criticism isn’t banned because we just read that criticism in a substack
It remains forbidden from being posted on their Facebook page.
I appreciate you trying to hold headline authors accountable, but I don’t see how this headline is inaccurate.
Ohio Dem Party Has Banned Criticism Of Gov. Candidate Amy Acton Calling Trans Girls “Boys”
I think it is future-proof, too. Even if the post is restored, the fact remains that it was once banned.
Dumb fuck, it’s not all-or-nothing. Specific criticism that could make a positive difference is being censored. I’m sorry you fucked up, but please stop pretending otherwise. It was an easy mistake, but a harmful one. We should not downplay what is happening here, criticism was banned.
Your words:
But sure, let’s frame it as banning all criticism.
Criticism has been banned.
I can’t steel-man something that is blatantly false. You repeatedly insisted that they were not banning criticism. You pretended that by offering a direct meeting instead of allowing the criticism to be reposted, they were not banning any criticism.
Now what happened? She didn’t show up to the meeting and the trans people she should have apologized to were prevented from even attending.
Acton and her team are still pretending they have done nothing wrong, are still actively shielding themselves from consequences of their bad decisions.
Criticism has been banned again.
Do you still think they were being fair?
https://lemmy.today/post/57542998
Inside sources who have gone public now say the “listening session” was a debacle. Acton did not show up, her campaign manager barred Arienne Childrey—Vice Chair of the party’s Pride Caucus, a transgender candidate for the Ohio House, and Ohio’s first openly trans city council member—from even entering the Zoom call. When another advocate demanded to know why Childrey was barred, she was ejected. The Chair of the Progressive Caucus, Kim McCarthy, was locked in the waiting room during the entire “listening session.” And in the end, the campaign ultimately refused to apologize for calling trans girls “boys,” refused to retract Acton’s support for a transgender sports ban, and ended the meeting with no plans for what come next.
To clarify, I don’t want to sound like a determinist, where there’s nothing we can do but sit back and watch systems play themselves out.
I am a determinist, and also I think it is morally reprehensible to do nothing while innocent people are being murdered. Our choices are not some magical product of free will, they are biological inevitabilities. But we evolved our feelings for good reason.
Just that historically, the most effective movements have built on mass organization and consciousness, rather than scattered individuals spontaneously changing their minds.
We live in the information age. We can talk to each other faster than ever. It’s why the fascists keep poisoning social media, they fear it.
I think we need to get ahead of the curve. They are ahead of us in some ways. We need to subvert their plans and their backup plans. We need to move faster than they think is possible, faster than they can keep up with.
Easier said than done, admittedly. But maybe we can use the speed of information to our advantage.
Wow! Very well put.
I still think it makes a difference, like adding a little more kindling so a campfire is easier to light.
We all need to think more about our choices and their consequences. We must break the cycle of abuse. It’s not easy. I wish I knew how.
Thank you for your responses. 🙂
Also, in context… Is “Jewishness” an institution, a system? I think it’s a descriptive category humans came up with for humans. Race is kind of arbitrary.
“Ugh, just get in the same box as everyone else so I can push you through the system without resistance.” - abusers, not teachers.
I disagree about the focus on individual choices, these are institutional and systemic forces at play.
True. And individuals are making selfish choices rhat sustain these systems and institutions.
But I agree the term is imprecise. And westerners don’t have a good enough track record avoiding reactionary deviations to be trusted with imprecise language.
My goals include minimizing suffering. We are each in different positions, we each have different choices available to us. It is worthwhile, maybe even necessary, for us to strive to make the best choices we can, choices that will benefit everyone the most. I admit it is not easy, which is why cooperation is so important. Religion divides us based on what we want to be true instead of what is measurably most likely true.
We are limited by our physical forms, brains included. But I have seen enough to stake my life on the idea that we can do better than we are doing, and we should; the sooner we respect reality, the more lives we can save.
i am saying my belief is that they others are free to believe but not free to do whatever they want.
I don’t see the difference. They believe they are obligated to do those things, so they do those things.
There are laws for the things we can do and not do. We have the right (in the free world) to think what we want
Nobody can stop anybody from thinking their thoughts. My point is we should oppose false beliefs before they turn into harmful actions.
Please note that i am making a clear distinction between the freedom inside oneself (opinions, thoughts, beliefs) and acting on them.
What is the difference? They believe that’s how they should act, so that’s how they act.
If i believe my neighbour is an asshole, i am not and should not suddenly allowed to insult him.
Constructive criticism can change behaviors for the better, if everyone is listening to reason. Your neighbor shouldn’t be an asshole, that hurts everybody.
Unfortunately, yes. I agree on the problem.
Thank you. It is why I am a “militant” antitheist. I think that compromising with delusion gets innocent people killed needlessly.
The fact that our lives will come to an end makes every moment we have more precious. These are unique experiences that cannot be replicated.
Easy to say, and I do believe it, but also…
Boomers like my parents chose and still choose to perpetuate abusive systems instead of opposing them. I spent too long thanking them for teaching me violence because any other reaction would be met with violence. Why am I supposed to feel grateful about being born into a backwards, burning slave world?
I am finally getting treatment for alcohol dependency. I want to stop hiding from my own life, but I don’t know how. I wasted myself on people who don’t actually care about anything but themselves. It sometimes feels like there is too much pain for anything to be worthwhile, but I am also too scared to check out early.
So… I don’t know. We have a lot of problems to solve. Things may get worse before they get better, but there is potential for things to get better. Theoretically. 🤷 I hope they get better for everyone, including you. I wish I knew.