Points for acknowledging the obvious loophole, but ultimately you’re assuming EU investors wouldn’t jump in to fill the vacuum.
There are other tools to move the needle here (some of which these protestors are requesting explicitly). Ultimately you don’t care as much about the source of capital as you do about the practice.
This is true. That said, presumably at least some of those have either a pre-existing install base they can keep selling digital games and services to or built-up stock.
Nintendo has zero Switch 2 units in US households and will be expected to honor preorder prices. Who knows how much stock they have in the US at this point. Probably next to zero.
US gamers won’t have cheaper choices to buy new hardware, but they sure will have the obvious choice of not spending money on unnecessary new toys at all. Especially because for how messed up gaming hardware is going to get there are going to be entire other market segments getting much worse that you don’t get to just opt out of.
This is atrocious timing for Nintendo. But hey, Europe has 450 million people and you weren’t going to sell 100 million Switches day one. Shave fifty euros off that sticker and I betcha some of them will take that unused US stock out of your hands and even buy some games on top.
You’re antropomorphising quite a bit there. It is not trying to be deceptive, it’s building two mostly unrelated pieces of text and deciding the fuzzy logic is getting it the most likely valid response once and that the description of the algorithm is the most likely response to the other. As far as I can tell there’s neither a reward for lying about the process nor any awareness of what the process was anywhere in this.
Still interesting (but unsurprising) that it’s not getting there by doing actual maths, though.
I’ve always hated it and eight. I can only remember the ones that are familiar at a glance from the reverse table and to this day I sometimes just sum up and down from those “anchor” references. They’re so weird and slippery.
Well, yeah, but if the final store price is 750 instead of 450 the number of consoles allocated to the US market, let alone sold through, may be much lower.
Given that tariffs could be lifted at random, just like they were set, not even scalpers would want to buy tech that could drop in price dramatically any day.
You misunderstood, I said it’s Vietnamese/Chinese because that’s where a lot of the components are manufactured and why the tariffs are a problem for US distribution in particular but not for other regions.
That’s what’s fascinating about how it does language in general.
The article is interesting in both the ways in which things are similar and the ways they’re different. The rough approximation thing isn’t that weird, but obviously any human would have self-awareness of how they did it and not accidentally lie about the method, especially when both methods yield the same result. It’s a weirdly effective, if accidental example of human-like reasoning versus human-like intelligence.
And, incidentally, of why AGI and/or ASI are probably much further away than the shills keep claiming.
OK, I’ve been willing to just let the examples roll even though most people are just describing how they’d do the calculation, not a process of gradual approximation, which was supposed to be the point of the way the LLM does it…
…but this one got me.
Seriously, you think 70x5 is easier to compute than 70x3? Not only is that a harder one to get to for me in the notoriously unfriendly 7 times table, but it’s also further away from the correct answer and past the intuitive upper limit of 1000.
Carts and console could very much change. Some estimates say up to 50% up.
Given that digital games will not this could make the Switch a de facto digital-only thing in the US.
I mean, assuming Trump isn’t beaten with a stick into submission in the next couple of weeks. We’ll see.
In the US. Key part there is “in the US”. You guys deal with this nonsense. I intend to be playing my MSRP Vietnamese/Chinese console at launch, thankyouverymuch.
Hell, I’ll take whatever stock you don’t, maybe we can get a tenner or two shaved off the price. I’m sure the “let’s sneak in the exchange rate and pretend it’s VAT” thing is starting to look less appealing right about now.
Is that a weird method of doing math?
I mean, if you give me something borderline nontrivial like, say 72 times 13, I will definitely do some similar stuff. “Well it’s more than 700 for sure, but it looks like less than a thousand. Three times seven is 21, so two hundred and ten, so it’s probably in the 900s. Two times 13 is 26, so if you add that to the 910 it’s probably 936, but I should check that in a calculator.”
Do you guys not do that? Is that a me thing?
You go to tech news sites? Did you time travel from the 2000s? Can you bring me back with you?
A quick look at US Amazon spits out that the only 24Gb card in stock is a 3090 for 1500 USD. A look at the European storefront shows 2400EUR for a 4090. Looking at other assorted stores shows a bunch of out of stock notices.
It’s quite competitive, I’m afraid. Things are very stupid at this point and for obvious reasons seem poised to get even dumber.
Yeah, for sure. That I was aware of.
We were focusing on the Mini instead because… well, if the OP is fretting about going for a big GPU I’m assuming we’re talking user-level costs here. The Mini’s reremovedtion comes from starting at 600 bucks for 16 gigs of fast shared RAM, which is competitive with consumer GPUs as a standalone system. I wanted to correct the record about the 24Gig starter speccing up to 64 because the 64 gig one is still in the 2K range, which is lower than the realistic market prices of 4090s and 5090s, so if my priority was running LLMs there would be some thinking to do about which option makes most sense in the 500-2K price range.
I am much less aware of larger options and their relative cost to performance because… well, I may not hate LLMs as much as is popular around the Internet, but I’m no roaming cryptobro, either, and I assume neither is anybody else in this conversation.
See, when people need to rephrase your point to answer it, that tends to not be a great sign for good faith engagement. Case in point, ignoring the inclusion of “and supposed allies” at the core of my point is doing a lot of work in your argument with an entirely fictional version of me.
For the record, you’re not off the hook because you’re a targeted minority. Plenty of organizing and activism is driven by vulnerable people rallying society at large around them. The idea of arguing that protest is for white people because they have the numbers is bafflingly individualistic, which I suppose is on brand. The point of collective action is… you know, that it’s collective.
Look, my argument here is that Americans are handling this situation from an absolutely bizarre set of assumptions and cultural behaviors. I fully stand by that. The passive compliance while bemoaning the ineffectiveness of actions they’re not taking is not unheard of historically but man, is it weird and frustrating.
If you choose to take that as a knock on you specifically that’s your prerogative. I will say that it definitely doesn’t exclude you or the OP. It’s a society-wide issue. Identities aren’t segregated bubbles. The entire framing of this argument is part of the bizarre self-exculpatory, entitled set of cultural assumptions that re-elected the same fascist idiot twice because milquetoast liberals weren’t exciting enough or whatever the hell.
I think the part that gets me is the one-two punch at the very visible performative outrage at Trump doing exactly the things he campaigned on paired with the extreme passivity as they watch it unfold. The impression from the outside looking in is the US, from elected Democrats to marginalized citizens, is collectively waiting for the regional manager or the kindergarten teacher to come out of the back room and fix things while sharing safety tips and sternly worded objections. And there doesn’t seem to be any sign that things will bubble over into actual action. They will be carried to the camps while aggressively demanding a refund. It’s a grotesque spectacle to watch, being perfectly honest.
No, I am absolutely sure they’re coming after queer people and other minorities.
I’m questioning what infosec will do to prevent that. I’m questioning where political action from both directly affected people and supposed allies is. I’m questioning where all this was during the campaign and the election. I’m questioning why people are choosing to express fear and anger online and share progrom tips in social media instead of organizing.
I genuinely can’t parse how Americans are processing this. Turkey, Serbia? Yeah, I get what’s going on there.
The US? Alien planet. It’s like they never heard of civil society or political opposition before.
Go outside. With a sign, maybe, but you may also find you have a sound-making enabled face-hole.
Voting also helps, if the chance is ever provided. That ship may have sailed, though, so you may find you need to go purchase a time machine type device instead.
Maybe it’s just getting grumpier in my old age, but I’m increasingly annoyed at all these posts going “here’s how to lock down your comms from all the people coming after you for all the protesting you’re not doing. Now hold tight while sitting at home, I’m sure the official summons to go do the revolution is incoming from the official revolution organizers any day now”.
You didn’t, I did. The starting models cap at 24, but you can spec up the biggest one up to 64GB. I should have clicked through to the customization page before reporting what was available.
That is still cheaper than a 5090, so it’s not that clear cut. I think it depends on what you’re trying to set up and how much money you’re willing to burn. Sometimes literally, the Mac will also be more power efficient than a honker of an Nvidia 90 class card.
Honestly, all I have for recommendations is that I’d rather scale up than down. I mean, unless you also want to play kickass games at insane framerates with path tracing or something. Then go nuts with your big boy GPUs, who cares.
But for LLM stuff strictly I’d start by repurposing what I have around, hitting a speed limit and then scaling up to maybe something with a lot of shared RAM (including a Mac Mini if you’re into those) and keep rinsing and repeating. I don’t know that I personally am in the market for AI-specific muti-thousand APUs with a hundred plus gigs of RAM yet.
Thing is, you can trade off speed for quality. For coding support you can settle for Llama 3.2 or a smaller deepseek-r1 and still get most of what you need on a smaller GPU, then scale up to a bigger model that will run slower if you need something cleaner. I’ve had a small laptop with 16 GB of total memory and a 4060 mobile serving as a makeshift home server with a LLM and a few other things and… well, it’s not instant, but I can get the sort of thing you need out of it.
Sure, if I’m digging in and want something faster I can run something else in my bigger PC GPU, but a lot of the time I don’t have to.
Like I said below, though, I’m in the process of trying to move that to an Arc A770 with 16 GB of VRAM that I had just lying around because I saw it on sale for a couple hundred bucks and I needed a temporary GPU replacement for a smaller PC. I’ve tried running LLMs on it before and it’s not… super fast, but it’ll do what you want for 14B models just fine. That’s going to be your sweet spot on home GPUs anyway, anything larger than 16GB and you’re talking 3090, 4090 or 5090, pretty much exclusively.
Well, that’s supposed to be the point of the paper in the first place. They seem to be tracing paths through the neural net and seeing what lights up when they do things step by step. Someone posted a link to the source article somewhere in this thread.
Best they can tell, as per the article, they say the math answer and the answer to how it got to the answer are being generated independently.