Not the first time this has happened either, here’s another similar case in Atlanta: https://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-boy-killed-hit-run-driver-probation-community/story?id=14158040
Not the first time this has happened either, here’s another similar case in Atlanta: https://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-boy-killed-hit-run-driver-probation-community/story?id=14158040
Are you saying you think the idea of having all important services within 15 minutes is tyranny?
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I was confused because it’s such a bad take… That’s not what 15 minute cities are about. That’s just the dumb conspiracy theories.
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Literally nobody thinks 15 minute cities should mean you’re stuck in a 15 minute radius you dork
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you grew up around a lot of lead didn’t you?
@Horse No I grew up in a time where we had relative freedom. If I wanted to go lay on the beach and enjoy the stars and the sound of surf at 2AM, I could so so, if I wanted to set off fireworks on the 4th of July I could so so, or pretty much any other time as long as I wasn’t creating a nuisance. I could drive downtown on any street. Now beaches are closed after dark, no more fireworks, kind of funny that we don’t have the freedom to celebrate our freedoms, but then the constitution may as well be used for toilet paper these days, downtown now half the streets are bus only and the other half are one-way. I don’t understand young peoples total lack of desire for freedom.
so that’s a yes
@Horse Ok, bye.
Where do you think this has been implemented? I’m curious, because you’re the first person I’ve come across who was this take, and it’s novel to me.
@silasmariner xford City Council have publicly stated that the 15-minute city concept does not involve travel restrictions and that traffic filters are not intended to confine people to their local area. If the “travel filters” are not intended to confine people to their local area, then what is their intent? Yea, to confine people.
Wow, hot take. Do you know what a traffic filter is? It’s just a restriction on through traffic, so that smaller roads aren’t used as part of a route by people going longer distances. It in no way restricts the overall distance that people can travel. In fact it’s less restrictive than some LTN implementations, since at least the road can still be traversed
@silasmariner I know because I’ve heard it described by people who live there. That’s ok, go ahead and believe the WEF lies, let them enslave all of humanity. Good thing AI is becoming a thing because natural intelligence is sadly lacking.
I, too, know people in Oxford, however none of them are insane, so none of them have described it that way 😅. If you’re sold on AI as well then, yeah, lol, I guess that tracks. Wanna buy some NFTs, bro? 🤣🤣
your intent is NOT clear.
restricted in your ability to travel is totally normal and not tyranny. Drivers licences are smart, Pilot license make sense, dang are speed limits tyranny?
15 minutes cities is just a concept that all or most of the typically important services citizens need to survive and thrive should be within a 15 minutes of where they live without REQUIRING a car. Modern car dependent culture is the tyranny if anything, and 15 minute cities idea is a response to that
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I have literally never seen the idea of a 15 minute city being restrictive anywhere other than the ravings of Alex Jones tier wingnuts. Everybody who actually pushes the concept just thinks you should have a grocery store, a doctor’s office, a library etc. near your house.
Edit: and don’t get it twisted, nobody is saying you should be forced to relocate either, it’s a guideline for urban planning.
@nanook @aeischeid No one capable of basic logic thinks 15 minute cities have anything to do with restricting travel. Either you’re being disingenuous, or you’re sorely lacking in the logic you think you possess.
Has anyone ever actually said, “I think we should have all services within a zone of 15-minute travel, and we should restrict people from leaving their zone, and this is called 15 Minute Cities and I support that idea”?
“Having services readily available” is the entire idea. “You’re not allowed to go to another area” is nonsense that someone else tacked on to the concept to make people hate it.
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I looked this up and found this information about it:
First, the article says it was separate. Nobody said, “We are blocking everybody’s access to this road because the goal of 15-Minute City is to restrict people and forbid them from leaving their zone.”
Second, it was just traffic-calming. They put up some planters blocking roads to vehicles to encourage access by bike, pedestrians, etc. That’s not restricting access, that is INCREASING access. By bikes.
They decided that a different, busier road was more appropriate for cars. How on earth does that equate to restricting access? So your car had to drive further, using a big busy road instead of a local quiet street - boo-hoo! This, to you, was a sign that the government wants to confine you to a 15 minute area and never let you leave?
Are the following measures, to you, a sign of nefarious “restricting access”?
All of those technically “restrict access” by your seeming definition. Well, at least by vehicle. Is it your assertion that private vehicles reign supreme, and if the government does anything to slow down, discourage, or increase the cost of vehicle travel, it means their future goal is to create walled mini-cities that folks can’t leave?
Edit: also, you say that people threatened to hang the city council to get them to renege - are you proud of this? Your “side” is threatening to murder people if they don’t govern the way they want, and that’s just “being vigilant”? To prevent planters from being placed on a street? What the hell?
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I don’t see it as a cage at all.
I know my comment was long, but you haven’t answered:
If you want to believe in a conspiracy, why not look at the ways in which the auto industry has suppressed other modes of transport, from inventing the term “jaywalking” to suppressing electric trams to building giant highways through poor neighbourhoods?