I’ve heard people say “the wee hours of the night” to refer to time between midnight and dawn.
I think one of the reasons that there’s not a good word for that in English is because it’s the time anyone is least likely to be awake, so there’s not much reason to talk about it. And then by the time humans built enough lights to do something worthwhile at 02:00, we also had clocks and started to describe that period in reference to clock readings.
The definition of “AM” didn’t factor into anything I said, though.
You said “5am is morning”, but i said “before 5am” as in the entire time from midnight to 5am. I reminded you that “before 5am includes 00:01” which very much isn’t what people would consider to be morning.
This is a silly post about timekeeping, I’m not sure why you’re being rude about it.
Why do you keep bringing “am” into this. again none of what I said has anything to do with the definition of “am”
And why are you being so rude on what is clearly a silly thread?
My “argument” isn’t that “midnight itself makes no sense”
My argument is that having the day start at midnight isn’t how people intuitively conceptualize a day, and wouldn’t it be nice if the calendar day more closely resembled our intuition about days (a contiguous daytime period followed by a contiguous nighttime period).
Right, but then how do you refer to before 5am on the 5th?
That’s not morning, and it’s not the night of the 4th. It’s awkward.
But more importantly, it’s ugly. It’s not how we intuit about days. It’s unsatisfying.
I’ve heard people say “the wee hours of the night” to refer to time between midnight and dawn.
I think one of the reasons that there’s not a good word for that in English is because it’s the time anyone is least likely to be awake, so there’s not much reason to talk about it. And then by the time humans built enough lights to do something worthwhile at 02:00, we also had clocks and started to describe that period in reference to clock readings.
5 am is the morning. This isn’t negotiable. You’re wrong.
00:01 isn’t the morning. This isn’t negotiable. You’re wrong.
I think you’re perhaps like… Misunderstood or poorly educated here.
A.M. doesn’t meant “morning”.
It means “ante meridian” which is Latin for “before noon”.
It’s not up for debate. You’re very thoroughly wrong.
The definition of “AM” didn’t factor into anything I said, though.
You said “5am is morning”, but i said “before 5am” as in the entire time from midnight to 5am. I reminded you that “before 5am includes 00:01” which very much isn’t what people would consider to be morning.
This is a silly post about timekeeping, I’m not sure why you’re being rude about it.
5 am is morning. Because the sun is up like 40 percent of places 40 percent of the time. But that’s not your argument.
Your argument is that midnight makes no sense.
You’re wrong. 12 noon is noon. 12 midnight is MIDDLE of the night.
Noon is when the sun is on average the highest.
Midnight is on average when the sun is the lowest.
None of this is inconsistent. It makes perfect sense. Your inability to grasp this is a personal issue.
Before you even:
“but middle of the night means that 1 am is still night but am means morning”
No, you’re an idiot and wrong.
AM doesn’t mean morning. It means before noon.
Again. It is perfectly consistent.
Why do you keep bringing “am” into this.
again none of what I said has anything to do with the definition of “am”
And why are you being so rude on what is clearly a silly thread?
My “argument” isn’t that “midnight itself makes no sense”
My argument is that having the day start at midnight isn’t how people intuitively conceptualize a day, and wouldn’t it be nice if the calendar day more closely resembled our intuition about days (a contiguous daytime period followed by a contiguous nighttime period).