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They’re all preparing to remove choice as we start to lose competition due to Trump Economy
Fuck Trump, but this one is a bipartisan effort that has been ongoing since the Clinton administration accelerated the deregulation train. There has also been very little action towards anti-competitive practices for a very long time.
Don’t get suckered into a red vs blue mindset here. This is a battle against corporate and billionaire abuse of power.
EDIT: If I am being honest, I was all onboard the deregulation train back in the nineties. I was young and ignorant. I never imagined the damage it would bring.
It was a lot more practical for new players to enter most of these markets back in the 90s, before the megacorps started to fully metastasize. Deregulation [of some industries] wasn’t the objectively bad choice that hind sight makes it seem like back then, just something worth trying to see if it improved outcomes. Remember, regulations are supposed to regularly change to meet the needs of the time, not be a lifetime commitment one way or the other that the political deadlock of the '00s and '10s made it seem.
before the megacorps started to fully metastasize
Almost the entirety of US car manufacturing is done by three carmakers. It’s been like that since at least the end of WW2.
There has also been very little action towards anti-competitive practices for a very long time.
Obama establishing the CFPB was a pretty big win for Americans.
The intention was good and there were some pro co sumer victories and many already got rolled back.
Calling this thing victory is like calling ACA victory.
Dad gave a me a toy so it is ok that he gets drunk and gives me the belt bulk. No wonder peasants can’t seem to see the picture lol
The ACA was a victory. Do we need better? Absolutley! However, I’m not sure if you remember healthcare before it. Remember “pre-existing conditions” or being charged for wellness checkup? Also, women paid significantly more for healthcare than men did. Balancing that back to equal was important.
Dad gave a me a toy so it is ok that he gets drunk and gives me the belt bulk. No wonder peasants can’t seem to see the picture
If you’re “all or nothing” you’ll get nothing. We could have had real change on Climate Change too if “cap and trade” was adopted, but someone just like you said it didn’t go far enough, and we got nothing instead.
If you’re “all or nothing” you’ll get nothing.
Yeah, that’s because binary thinking (everything’s XOR) is not thinking at all.
I wouldn’t even consider buying a car because of their policy around car play. Won’t even look at it.
Why can’t it just work like a dock for any device? Why does it have to be carplay or android auto with locked down protocols?
Because of ✨capitalism✨.
It’s an anticompetitive practice, that’s why.
It’s silly but I have no interest in buying or driving cars that don’t support CarPlay. I’m used to it. It is safer for me to drive with a gps/voice control system I am used to. When I’ve had to rent cars that don’t support it it has been awful.
I would feel the same if I was an android user with Android auto.
I do not think every car needs their own system when one’s based on the devices we already use exist. Pisses me off.
I also wish someone would make a base model style EV I don’t need all these stupid extra features. I recently test drove a VW EV and wasn’t amused with the RGB door lighting. What a waste of money. I just want a vehicle to get from A to B.
Ironically, the Chevy Bolt was a perfect car for that. Reasonably priced, no stupid gizmos like retracting door handles, Android Auto, actual buttons for controls… But of course GM killed it. A new version should come out eventually, but who knows if it’ll keep the spirit of their old Bolts. For now, the used market hit the sweet spot where it’s still a pretty modern car, but it’s gone through most of its depreciation from new so it’s pretty cheap. Especially with the tax credit.
Full disclosure: DC fast charging sucks on this car. On some pre-2022 models it’s non-existent. But it’s still excellent for commuting and medium-short trips!
I freaking loved my Bolt. I was planning to get another before I started construction and needed a truck. Then I was planning to get a Bolt after this truck since I wouldn’t need it anymore, but they killed it.
Check out the used market! The 2022-23s had an awesome facelift, plus the EUV version is just a little bigger mostly in the back seats
Frankly CarPlay and Android Auto suck in my opinion compared to iDrive 7 on my BMW.
But… that being said, I do support choice. I wouldn’t even consider a car that doesn’t allow CP/AA as I think it should be up to the consumer to pick which one they want to use.
The Nav system on my Audi Q7 BLOWS compared to Android Auto. It can’t seem to understand a damn thing I say.
I’ve been thinking of starting an ev retrofit company for very common cars/platforms. Drop out the drivetrain/fuel system. Install all the necessary replacement bits, and addons for a/c, heat, etc. Piggyback some kind of system so traction control doesn’t have an aneurism and make the gauges work right. I would need to find a reliable source for batteries and motors.
Edison Motors is doing that in Canada for light duty trucks. I don’t think there’s much of a market for it outside that considering the insane amount of labor costs you’d encounter trying to retrofit a vehicle. Best to either sell the kits to DIYers or find those few unicorn buyers who’d be willing to hand you $100k-$200k for 6-12 months worth of labor on a one-off vehicle.
Bought a 2015 mustang and had to upgrade the Sync2 to Sync3 for about $1300. That’s when CarPlay was capable with Sync3. Made the car a thousand times better.
I discovered a simple upgrade for the infotainment systems in most cars. The screens work perfectly well with either suction or adhesive-mount phone holders.
Even the shittiest phone is a major upgrade compared to any built-in infotainment system.
IMO cars that have their own infotainment system should also allow Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Give the user a choice. Collect metrics about how many people use Android Auto / CarPlay vs the native infotainment system. Maybe survey people who use Android Auto or CarPlay often to see what they think is missing from the native infotainment system. Iterate. Get people to use the native infotainment because it’s better, not because you force them to.
I’ve got a BMW iX and the in-built map is very good, but I like knowing that I can switch to Android Auto if I encounter issues with it.
Yeah but if you allow people to choose, you can’t force them to use your apps and buy within your walled garden.
You’re missing out on all that revenue.
Don’t buy cars like this, that’s the only thing that will help.
And considering it’s GM, it’s not really hard to avoid buying them when there are better options.
Slightly related. Wtf happened to the Apple CarPlay 2.0 thing that was supposed to fully integrate into the center console and digital dashboard screens that would allow the in-built UI to be overridden completely?
From an engineer at one of the legacy car manufacturers, they don’t want CarPlay 2 because it has privacy controls. They don’t want to give up so much access to the car, then have to access it over Apple APIs limited by privacy controls
Manufacturers are contemplating how to win back control over the UI of their vehicles. They remain completely oblivious to why CarPlay succeeded in the first place.
Possibly the fact many customers don’t want it. According to three Apple CarPlay site:
With digital car keys and the already seamless experience of Apple CarPlay, there are more ways than ever to take your iPhone on the road. With car keys, you can unlock and start your car with iPhone. And CarPlay gives you the ability to safely use what you love about your iPhone while you drive.
I don’t have an iPhone, so from all the marketing blurbs, it’s pretty much saying “Spend a ton of extra money for something you can never use.” I’ll pass on spending $1000+ on that useless"upgrade". And since Apple is notorious about locking iThings to Apple only hardware (or just not having full functionality when they do allow it), I doubt I’m alone in this thought.
I ran into this with my 2013 Kia Sorento ICE (which was subsequently totalled. :( )
When you replace the on-board infotainment system, there’s an interoperability package that has to be installed to make sure the existing functions of the vehicle continue to work.
Think of it like a translation layer, everything on the dashboard that went through the old system, has to be hooked up to the new system. Also complicated by steering wheel controls.
When it was all said and done, I had the full array of cameras that I wanted (turn signal cameras are amazing!) and everything worked…
Except the one little button that changed the interior lighting. It was forever stuck on red.
Now, for an EV, it’s essential everything work properly. I can totally see GM shutting that down.
This is kind of like the complaint about EVs not having AM radios… yeah, there’s a reason for that!
https://www.autosinnovate.org/posts/blog/not-cheap-a-3.8-billion-fix-for-am-radio-in-evs
Putting your vehicle main control inside the head unit is absurd to begin with.
Does all EV require travel destination for battery preconditioning ? If so EV have kind of spying as a feature.
Why would you want an infotainment system in your car? I don’t get it. All I want when I’m driving is navigation and music/podcast, and I can just use my phone for both
Guess what device Apple CarPlay uses for all its features.
So then why bother with a weird built-in system? Just stick your phone somewhere and you’re good
Why would I take out my phone instead of using the bigger screen built into my car?
You’re supposed to be watching the road mate, not some screen
