Not sure if they do it deliberately, but there’s like this sorta expectation to sympathize with parents who despite being poor still have children. Didn’t they make a CHOICE though? Do you think they should be solely responsible for making it?
Not sure if they do it deliberately, but there’s like this sorta expectation to sympathize with parents who despite being poor still have children. Didn’t they make a CHOICE though? Do you think they should be solely responsible for making it?
Like I said I am not making any political statement about what society should or shouldnt be and whether or not it should support the poor. I only question whether or not it makes sense to blame people who make a desicion to have kids and whether they should be responsible for that desicion.
“Im so disadvantaged so I am going to make myself more disadvantaged”. But do you absolutely have to? Is someone forcing you to have a kid?
You are making a political statement that we should hate the poor for situations inflicted upon them that are outside of their control, and reinforced socially.
The fact of the matter is that accidental births are higher in economically disadvantaged communities. This is because education is more lacking, as well as resources for abortions and birth control are more lacking. This is a social condition, not an individual choice. By abstracting away the social conditions in favor of hyper-fixating on individual actions, you are demonstrating extreme cruelty and ignorance as to how the world works.
Your talking points are Malthusian and fascist, and I do not say that lightly.
Ok then, lets exclude people who don’t know how babies are made. Do you still think a person who knows full-well that they won’t be able to support the kid should make one and that others should support them?
I think that society has a duty to raise the next generations socially, as generations are social existences. The problems of one family aren’t theirs alone, they impact everyone. Taking care of the young isn’t an individual responsibility, but a societal one. This is the only conclusion from a moral and and economic perspective. You want to punish people, you do not want a better society, economy, or world with as little pain as possible. You just want people to suffer, because you’re either willingly cruel or unwillingly ignorant.
Yes.
Ok, fair enough. Why?
Because we live in a society and allowing people to starve to death because they have children is unconscionable.
A person spends their whole paycheck on a new phone. Should they also get helped?
A new phone is not equivalent to a human.
What I am trying to say here is that when it comes to desicion to buy a phone you are saying that the person is responsible for their actions and shouldn’t have bought a phone, but when it comes to making a baby they suddenly aren’t? How doss that make sense? Genuinely asking. Do you also, like many here, believe that having children should be a human right?
Yeah, the phone will cost you less
Is not having sex/wearing a condom/taking birth control/having yout partner wear a condom outside of your control? Just saying 👻
Access to education and preventative care is highly limited by socioeconomic conditions. Again, your talking points are Malthusian and fascist, as well as being illogical and ignorant.
It is when rape exists.
Even without rape, access to preventative care and education is highly restricted by socioeconomic status.
Very true and shouldn’t be ignored. You’ve made great points on this topic here.
Thanks, you too!
It’s also important to note that preventative care has a failure rate, and not everyone is personally willing to have an abortion. Pressuring someone towards one is just as much a violation of bodily autonomy as pressuring them away from one
Sure. And these people should be taken care of by society as well.
Oh absolutely, I’m adding in further reasons why it shouldn’t be considered a balanced and considered choice.
Like, at the end of the day, it’s children and they go without needs if society doesn’t step up. I couldn’t give less of a shit how it happened outside trying to fix the base problems. Society needs to step up.
Yep! There’s no moral or economic justification for it. Society has a responsibility to the youth.
Excluding that aswell, taking only conscious desicions into account
Lack of reproductive health options absolutely leads to forced birth scenarios.