I can’t say I never downvote anyone but I get into these comment chains from time to time where really no matter what I post whoever I’m talking to downvotes every response but I generally shy away from downvoting even things I dislike. I don’t want to fall into an echo chamber where all I see are only the things I agree with.
Yes its stupid because nobody uses them correctly. Its turned into a disagree button instead of “this doesnt belong here or add to the conversation” button.
You’re supposed to downvote. If something is off topic especially, but also if something is toxic or against the rules.
If there was a community where the joke was “you can only reply PANTS” and then someone started to comment about the downfall of capitalism, you downvote that shit into oblivion even if you agree with it out of context.
Off topic tends to be used very subjectively, particularly if someone just dislikes the comment. Particularly when someone takes one line from a comment that’s on topic to say the comment is off topic. Not always of course but it’s rare so far as I’ve seen.
Now as for breaking rules or just being verbally violent, most definitely.
Commenting “as a man” in a women’s only community will get you downvoted even if it’s on topic.
Yeah human error got me on that one. I did apologize to everyone. I would have added an apology to the comment but I can’t 😕. Thankfully the mod was understanding I goofed.
I don’t think off topic is very subjective that often, and if you’re not sure just don’t vote. I gave an example of off topic behavior and, you know, it was too help you out. So you wouldn’t feel so bad about down voting. And then you tried to bicker with me about the details.
Yeah like the example you gave is a good example of someone being off topic. It’s just that I don’t see that circumstance very often personally. More so i have personally seen it used in a disagreement type way, like a single sentence will be taken out of a comment and used to say the whole comment is off topic when I personally didn’t feel they were as egregiously off topic like in the example you gave. So in that sense it seems subjective… that person felt the other was off topic, I as a third party subjectivity didn’t agree
Up and down votes are intended as indicators of quality that people abuse as markers of taste. If you downvote because the post/comment is unhelpful/useless/etc. that’s just voting as intended. If you are about to downvote because something is hateful, just report it to the mods instead. If you use certain clients, like Voyager, you will also see cumulative totals for your personal votes on users, which can be a great way to spot people you shouldn’t interact with, and probably just block. If you can’t tell the difference between people who are willfully nasty vs ignorant, maybe focus on learning to tell that rather than participate too much.
Mad you got told off in womensstuff?
So mad that he DMed me to make sure that our mods apply the rules equally. He was very concerned about our community turning into an echo chamber.
Oh damn. “Echo chamber” is usually the last cry of someone without an argument.
I goofed with the comment, I apologized to who I could. I would have added an apology but I can’t. So either way, sorry again.
Mad?. Not at all. I actually apologized to who I could. I would have added an apology on the thread but I can’t.
You sure as hell seemed concerned about us for someone who isn’t upset.
I mean I’m mostly sorry for breaking the rules which is why I apologized, I goofed, human error gets us all from time to time. That circumstance totally makes sense and I’ve agreed time and time again that rule breaking deserves downvotes in this thread alone. Honestly I was thinking about other experiences I’ve had, particularly with some very verbally rude individuals.
I just down vote when I see low quality content or irrelevant or poorly supported arguments. I have upvoted takes I disagree with and then commented about why I disagree. It’s not supposed to be a disagree button, it’s supposed to be a “move this down in the feed” button.
why the hell do you care about any of this?
maybe the better strategy is to not care about what internet strangers think about you?
Views, engagement and votes determine what people see and what they don’t as well as how they feel about it. What people see shapes their views. Their views shape their behavior. Their behavior shapes the world. It’s worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.
It’s worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.
It’s worthwhile for men to respect when women want to gather on our own and talk about things without men’s voices.
I’m not sure that constitutes an echo chamber necessarily. Women alone obviously have very diverse opinions on topics, same for men and non-binary people. Now if there’s a specific narrative and everyone agrees and any disagreement or questioning is seen as an attack then that’s probably an echo chamber.
Oh you absolutely thought it did when you DMed me to argue about making sure the rules are being applied equally in womensstuff.
More so to apologize but yeah rules should be applied equally since there was another guy in those same threads although i don’t agree with the point they were making.
I’d be really curious to know if you DM other community members with the same concern after you’ve been reprimanded for breaking the rules.
I can send you my login credentials if you want.
according to who? you?
the vast majority of people disagree with you, and their votes count just as much as yours. they prefer the echo chamber.
Oh I most definitely understand people enjoy echo chambers. They haven’t become the norm by accident.
I downvote comments if they are factually wrong, if they are mean or derogatory or if they are needlessly critical of another commenter. I personally don’t care if I get downvoted or even upvoted, I’m just here to speak my mind, hear others opinions, rant or vent or sometimes engage in a pleasant text conversation with a stranger.
Ditto.
I don’t care enough to upvote or downvote anything. Maybe that’s not the right way to do it, idc.
I’ve been here 2-3 years and have up or down voted like 5 times. I just don’t care about it and don’t look at the numbers. Seems to work
Oh brother, this guy stinks
I don’t think so, but to each their own.
I go and upvote things I want to see more of.
Subjectively, I do not see a big diversity of opinions on Lemmy. Everyone seems to love Linux and communism and hate Windows and western politics.
Haven’t been here for that long though so maybe I’m missing out on some communities.
I see a number of different opinions and cultures, which is why I chose my instance. .Today doesn’t block, so I can pick what I want to see and browse by subscribed.
Scrolling the All feed on .world tends to be more of an echo chamber than selecting about a hundred individual communities to check regularly.
There are a lot of communities with more diversity once you dig around long enough. It’s worth it to go through the communities page and sort in different ways to see if anything catches your interest!
I am also really appreciative of users who link relevant communities in the comments!! I’ve found several comms that way.
Yeah that’s a pretty accurate synopsis of the major trends. Different subs break away from this. If you’re coming from reddit then it’s was generally left leaning but was just bigger so politics was easy to escape.
Nope. Fuck em.
What happens when em gets reversed for ya?
All of you disappear when I close the app. This isn’t my life. Do what you want.
Dang I was really hoping you were going to respond ‘Ay’ to be punny. Anyways, no one here disappears (I mean unless they died) they are still there existing and influencing the world all the same like you. The only thing that disappeared was your ability to communicate to them via the app when you closed it.
Neat.
Try to live your life without worrying about votes.
Nah. I want to make sure I’m being kind enough to not deserve downvotes. It’s a lifelong battle.
34 upvotes so far! Nice work!
Its more so a curiosity. I’ve noticed others behaviors and was wondering who lives for the downvote vs who is rarely smashing the down vote. This platform kinda fundamentally runs on down and upvotes.
This platform does not run on upvotes and downvotes, that’s Reddit. There is no algorithm here that is influenced by votes. In fact, there are some instances that don’t show or allow downvotes at all.
I don’t think that’s true.
Lemmy uses vote counts to decide what content to show, just like reddit. The details are described here:
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
The main difference between lemmy and reddit regarding votes, that I’m aware of, is that the votes a user receives are not collated and shown on their profile.
The algorithm is between your left and right ear. If you believe votes have no influence on users behavior then I have some unfortunate news for you.
You specifically said “this platform”. This platform does not run on upvotes and downvotes.
My dude, we are part of this platform and some of us seem to care. So I’d say yes, it runs on those as well, but way less than others.
I’m not a dude.
I was speaking specifically about the down and upvote systems as it relates to the fediverse.
There are whole instances that don’t show votes at all.
Everyone is dude, dude. I don’t care how they identify or what they are equipped with. Dude is neutral as heck.
I know what you were speaking of, and I know those instances, at least some. Doesn’t change that we are not in a vacuum.
I also said the algorithm is between your left and right ear, aka your brain. People act and react to stimulus accordingly. Downvote and upvotes psychology still exists on Lemmy.
Votes don’t matter. Upvotes can’t pay your rent or buy food. Downvotes won’t put you in prison.
Vote however you want, that’s why it’s here.
It does depend how we are defining what matters. By your definition very few things matter. As a location for discourse it matters in how people related to said discourse in that votes can help push or diminish narratives and craft a location that is or is not an echo chamber. We’re all aware what people see shapes their views and their views shape their actions and their actions shape the world. So I’m not sure I agree that the culture of a platform, the content that is pushed doesn’t matter.
It depends on how an individual consumes Lemmy. I don’t see votes and my client neither buries nor highlights comments based on votes. I only browse by new or active.
This means that votes have little to no impact to what I consume or interact with.
As I’ve said elsewhere. I don’t care if you downvote, I’ve seen what you upvote.
I will gladly downvote anyone. People be saying some dumb shit.
Is it dumb or is it that you think it’s dumb. To be or not to be. You see I disagree with a lot of people but I see where they are coming from so I don’t think they are literally idiotic. I’m more apprehensive about living in a system where I only ever see what is agreement with whatever I think aka an echo chamber.
I didn’t say I downvote based on disagreeing. I said I downvote based on if it’s dumb. There are plenty of people that I disagree with that have salient points. The morons are the ones that get the downvote.
Ever notice how people tend to judge other’s intelligence by how much their opinions match their own?
Well I have the best and most correct opinions, so no problems there.
I will absolutely downvote some people I disagree with if I think they are making a bad faith argument or I think their view is bad. If the masses decide my opinion is wrong then it will work out in the end. If not, then it must have been a bad comment.
You are, I am, we are the masses. I don’t mind disagreeing with people. I would be more bothered to be somewhere where everyone agrees and we have a culture of chasing off anyone who doesn’t aka an echo chamber. I’ll downvote people being mean because we can disagree and have civil discussion. Also someone blatantly trolling.
People are waaaay to judgy and rarely think outside of their bubble, country, ‘layer’ or can relate that there are differences beyond their knowledge. That’s why I only downvote when I am mostly sure to understand all this context, not just because I don’t like or agree with a statement 🤷
I also often get a lot of downvotes due to this ironically since I try to understand and ask questions (non hostile!) because I don’t understand.
It seems you and I are birds of a feather. Same experience here. Any divergence from the accepted norm, even if it’s just inquiry is typically met with downvotes. That is most places trend towards an echo chamber, not just here but anywhere online.
And again I think - who would even downvote that answer.
(just for clarity - not me)
Nah it’s dumb
It is pretty common that people treat their views as an infallible truth. Anything they think is good and smart and any disagreement is bad and dumb.
