Not ar all. The GOP were angry, or left in stunned silence for weeks; it was fascinating at the time to watch them re-frame the narrative in public, in real time. In the first days, though, I doubt they would’ve objected. And so what if they did? Biden was the President, how would they stop him? If there had been a MAGA uprising, it could have been crushed, just like Occupy Wall Street was.
Also, plenty of people objected to the flouting of due process in 2002. The difference is not that some people objected.
The point was that in the example of the terrorist attacks that there wasn’t anyone to hold accountable because as far as the majority was concerned there was nothing to be held accountable for.
With the example of Jan 6th U.S. tried to hold Trump accountable but was prevented by Trump himself with the help of a majority of the voting populous.
In a democracy it’s the voters that decide if there is something to be held accountable for. In both examples the voters decided there was nothing to be held accountable for.
In addition to that there are plenty examples of the U.S. holding the powerful to account. Here’s what I found in just a few seconds:
George Santos: The former New York Republican Congressman was arrested and indicted on a 13-count federal indictment in May 2023 for charges including wire fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds, and making false statements.
Chris Collins: The New York Representative was indicted and arrested in 2018 for tipping off his son to confidential corporate information regarding an Australian biotechnology company. He resigned and pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud and lying to law enforcement.
Duncan Hunter: The California Representative was indicted in 2018 and eventually pleaded guilty to misusing over \(\$150,000\) in campaign funds for personal expenses, including family vacations, movie tickets, and extramarital affairs.
Larry Householder: The former Ohio Speaker of the House was arrested and convicted in March 2023 in a \(\$60\) million federal racketeering and bribery scheme—one of the largest public corruption cases in state history.
Steve Watkins: The former Kansas Republican congressional candidate and Representative was charged with three felony counts and one misdemeanor regarding voter fraud and illegally registering his residence at a UPS store ahead of the 2019 election.
David Rivera: The former Florida Representative was arrested in Atlanta in December 2022 and indicted for federal charges including acting as an unregistered foreign agent for a Venezuelan national and conspiracy to launder money.
Okay, so we do hold people in positions of power accountable, so Biden should have locked up the coup leaders on day one. As we have unfortunately seen, the President can act despite objections from the people.
Biden locking up the coup leaders on day one without the support of voters would be the move of a dictator and would require Biden to pull off a coup first because the president otherwise doesn’t have the ability to do what you are suggesting.
Trump is only able to get away with his crimes because of the support he has from voters, billionares, Russia, the GOP and all the corrupt judges and Judicial roles he has filled with loyalist (just to name a few examples).
Not ar all. The GOP were angry, or left in stunned silence for weeks; it was fascinating at the time to watch them re-frame the narrative in public, in real time. In the first days, though, I doubt they would’ve objected. And so what if they did? Biden was the President, how would they stop him? If there had been a MAGA uprising, it could have been crushed, just like Occupy Wall Street was.
Also, plenty of people objected to the flouting of due process in 2002. The difference is not that some people objected.
MAGA is made up of people with systemic power like judges, cops, military leaders, the billionaire class.
The occupy Wall Street movement never had members with that much power. Or anywhere near the same numbers.
The majority of Americans were ok with the reactions to 2001 terrorist attacks.
That was the point, wasn’t it? That the U.S. has never held the powerful to account.
The point was that in the example of the terrorist attacks that there wasn’t anyone to hold accountable because as far as the majority was concerned there was nothing to be held accountable for.
With the example of Jan 6th U.S. tried to hold Trump accountable but was prevented by Trump himself with the help of a majority of the voting populous.
In a democracy it’s the voters that decide if there is something to be held accountable for. In both examples the voters decided there was nothing to be held accountable for.
In addition to that there are plenty examples of the U.S. holding the powerful to account. Here’s what I found in just a few seconds:
George Santos: The former New York Republican Congressman was arrested and indicted on a 13-count federal indictment in May 2023 for charges including wire fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds, and making false statements.
Chris Collins: The New York Representative was indicted and arrested in 2018 for tipping off his son to confidential corporate information regarding an Australian biotechnology company. He resigned and pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud and lying to law enforcement.
Duncan Hunter: The California Representative was indicted in 2018 and eventually pleaded guilty to misusing over \(\$150,000\) in campaign funds for personal expenses, including family vacations, movie tickets, and extramarital affairs.
Larry Householder: The former Ohio Speaker of the House was arrested and convicted in March 2023 in a \(\$60\) million federal racketeering and bribery scheme—one of the largest public corruption cases in state history.
Steve Watkins: The former Kansas Republican congressional candidate and Representative was charged with three felony counts and one misdemeanor regarding voter fraud and illegally registering his residence at a UPS store ahead of the 2019 election.
David Rivera: The former Florida Representative was arrested in Atlanta in December 2022 and indicted for federal charges including acting as an unregistered foreign agent for a Venezuelan national and conspiracy to launder money.
Okay, so we do hold people in positions of power accountable, so Biden should have locked up the coup leaders on day one. As we have unfortunately seen, the President can act despite objections from the people.
Biden locking up the coup leaders on day one without the support of voters would be the move of a dictator and would require Biden to pull off a coup first because the president otherwise doesn’t have the ability to do what you are suggesting.
Trump is only able to get away with his crimes because of the support he has from voters, billionares, Russia, the GOP and all the corrupt judges and Judicial roles he has filled with loyalist (just to name a few examples).
Biden never had that kind of support.